What exactly did Berenson do? I thought him an early crusader against the Covid lunacy. As was Dr. M. He seemed sensible and somewhat fearless. What happened?
What exactly did Berenson do? I thought him an early crusader against the Covid lunacy. As was Dr. M. He seemed sensible and somewhat fearless. What happened?
He and Malone were in an interview and Berenson started taking cheap shots at him out of nowhere.
The thing you have to understand about Berenson is that he desperately wants to be let back into the cool kids club at NYT. He’s never known anything outside of that and he thinks if he trashes people like Malone they’ll eventually let him back into the party.
"you can take the reporter out of the NY Times, but you can't take the NY Times out of the reporter". My essays on what happened (with links) are in the top five all time favorites for this substack column.
Thanks for the heads up. I saw Berenson in the early days and thought he made a valuable contribution at the time. But, as Doc Malone said....you can take the reporter out of the Times......." The New York Times has been lying for leftists since the 1930s when Stalin was killing millions of Ukrainians with famine and the Times printed Duranty's lavish praises of that mad man.
Apparently you wouldn't know a leftist if you passed one on the sidewalk.
Those whom you are erroneously calling leftists are neoliberal centrists and they hate the left even more than you do.
The left of politics in the US was crushed because they were the best at organizing labor in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The industrialists were furious, especially when the New Deal passed. They have wanted to repeal that legislation ever since. Joe McCarthy dealt the final blow to left politics. Read about the history of labor movements to learn something.
We have no left in politics in this country any more. You think those posers are lefties? LMAO
I like to contrast Berenson with Naomi Wolf, who was also fully immersed in Life on the Left, for lack of a better term, before our world hit the skids 4 years ago. Unlike Berenson, who I agree can't let go of what he believes to be his NYT "bona fides" and the elitism that goes with it, Wolf is highly introspective, about a thousand times brighter than AB on many/most topics, and unlike him, has embraced her "after COVID" community of deplorables.
I think you've hit the nail on the proverbial head. I didn't follow her pre-COVID, but I suspect she is more of what I call a 'classical' liberal, who is tolerant of different viewpoints, but likely wants more, rather than less, government. I believe that the COVID experience has opened her eyes to the role of present governmental establishment. Many of the historical 'liberals' have morphed into what is still often called 'liberal', but is actually far left or Communists. I have a dear old friend who fits the classical liberal definition reasonably well, but spends too much time on NPR and PBS, being programmed to think that the conservative viewpoint equates to Nazi-ism. We are slowly broaching political discourse, but I am slow with it. The problem with my approach is that we don't have much time left.
Berenson attacked Dr. Malone for no reason in an early Tucker interview. I was an early supporter of Berenson, a paid subscriber. I was stunned while watching; it was disgusting, and I told him so and that I'd pay to renew when he apologizes to Malone. I've been an unpaid subscriber ever since. (I read him because he has some good things to say; as others point out, we don't have to all agree to fight on the same team.)
I didn't see that one, but Alex has never apologized to Naomi Wolf regarding the effects of the shots on female reproductive organs. She was right and he was wrong. He is a smaller person for not apologizing and admitting his error. Lost stature for Alex.
I took exactly the same action. But as we've learned, Alex never apologizes or admits he was wrong. I was also an early fan of the Breggins. Their book was the first in my "COVID Library." However, I said good-bye to their newsletter as well when they set their sites on Drs. Malone and Desmet. Both situations bothered me a great deal.
I know integrity and Malone has it. But, lacking for time, I've never studied the dispute he had with the Breggins. Can you give a brief summary of why the Breggins were so wrong and why Malone felt it appropriate to sue them for $25 million?
Honestly, my response was purely emotion-driven. Back in those days, I was hoovering up every bit of information I could find from "dissident" doctors and scientists, and Drs. Breggin and Malone were among the earliest, as I recall. I was in quite a state at the time, recoiling from all the "mitigation" measures, all the sheeple in my midst, and searching non-stop for the right products to treat the virus if necessary, and where to find them. I don't recall with any precision what Breggin's beef was ... I simply could not BELIEVE he went after Malone and Desmet ... as far as I was concerned, we were all on the same side and it was like a knife through the heart in that moment. I was quite angry at Breggin. As for the lawsuit, I have even fewer details, but I would suppose that when someone of Breggin's stature takes aim at you, you should take it more seriously than say, a Stew Peters. So Dr. Malone's response didn't seem all that surprising to me.
I have copied and pasted to Word documents, among tens of thousands of page, some of the discussions of the dispute. They were so long they were among the few things I've kept that I did not really even skim. I'll have to go back and read it, unless someone else can pipe in with a nice synopsis. Right now, I only know I would trust Dr. Malone with my life.
Integrity.
The Breggins, however, surprise me. Long-time libertarians, but I never followed them. Off the deep end would be my hypothesis.
My very (very) general sense of the issue was that Breggin objected to Desmet's mass formation thesis, because it laid the blame for the fear response at the feet of the citizenry, instead of blaming the "global predators," as Breggin calls them. I somehow think Dr. Malone's real or imagined "promotion" of Desmet's thesis was Breggin's problem with him (Dr. M) ... but I could be way off base.
And I blame the predators and government schools for having utterly failed in teaching the citizenry critical thinking skills.
I've a hunch Dr. Malone would agree.
OTOH, mass formation is simply the madness of crowds, which has occurred now and then for millennia. And that is in part due to underlying innate personality type: iNtuitives, especially the Thinkers, are much more likely to question; Sensors, much more likely to follow the "experts."
But the fear. The propaganda was extraordinarily well conceived. Horrifyingly so. That's on both perps and victims, but even I might have succumbed had I not been reading Karl Denninger's Market-Ticker who educated me and many others about Antibody Dependent Enhancement and the fact no vaccine had ever been approved without at least five years of animal trials. And I didn't really question the other vaccines until, probably, early 2022. As critical a thinker I am, I thought Andy Wakefield was a nutcase. Now, a hero.
What exactly did Berenson do? I thought him an early crusader against the Covid lunacy. As was Dr. M. He seemed sensible and somewhat fearless. What happened?
He and Malone were in an interview and Berenson started taking cheap shots at him out of nowhere.
The thing you have to understand about Berenson is that he desperately wants to be let back into the cool kids club at NYT. He’s never known anything outside of that and he thinks if he trashes people like Malone they’ll eventually let him back into the party.
"you can take the reporter out of the NY Times, but you can't take the NY Times out of the reporter". My essays on what happened (with links) are in the top five all time favorites for this substack column.
Thanks for the heads up. I saw Berenson in the early days and thought he made a valuable contribution at the time. But, as Doc Malone said....you can take the reporter out of the Times......." The New York Times has been lying for leftists since the 1930s when Stalin was killing millions of Ukrainians with famine and the Times printed Duranty's lavish praises of that mad man.
I’m glad someone else here knows about what the American media was hiding back then. It explains so much of what’s happening in Ukraine today.
Apparently you wouldn't know a leftist if you passed one on the sidewalk.
Those whom you are erroneously calling leftists are neoliberal centrists and they hate the left even more than you do.
The left of politics in the US was crushed because they were the best at organizing labor in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The industrialists were furious, especially when the New Deal passed. They have wanted to repeal that legislation ever since. Joe McCarthy dealt the final blow to left politics. Read about the history of labor movements to learn something.
We have no left in politics in this country any more. You think those posers are lefties? LMAO
Well, if you laughed your ass off, you’d be headless.
I'm still on his email list, but I have regarded him as false oppostion ever since. Thank you for allowing him to expose himself.
I like to contrast Berenson with Naomi Wolf, who was also fully immersed in Life on the Left, for lack of a better term, before our world hit the skids 4 years ago. Unlike Berenson, who I agree can't let go of what he believes to be his NYT "bona fides" and the elitism that goes with it, Wolf is highly introspective, about a thousand times brighter than AB on many/most topics, and unlike him, has embraced her "after COVID" community of deplorables.
I think you've hit the nail on the proverbial head. I didn't follow her pre-COVID, but I suspect she is more of what I call a 'classical' liberal, who is tolerant of different viewpoints, but likely wants more, rather than less, government. I believe that the COVID experience has opened her eyes to the role of present governmental establishment. Many of the historical 'liberals' have morphed into what is still often called 'liberal', but is actually far left or Communists. I have a dear old friend who fits the classical liberal definition reasonably well, but spends too much time on NPR and PBS, being programmed to think that the conservative viewpoint equates to Nazi-ism. We are slowly broaching political discourse, but I am slow with it. The problem with my approach is that we don't have much time left.
Berenson attacked Dr. Malone for no reason in an early Tucker interview. I was an early supporter of Berenson, a paid subscriber. I was stunned while watching; it was disgusting, and I told him so and that I'd pay to renew when he apologizes to Malone. I've been an unpaid subscriber ever since. (I read him because he has some good things to say; as others point out, we don't have to all agree to fight on the same team.)
I do the same. The thing with Berenson, is he truly cannot admit when he’s made a true mistake that’s not a typo!
I didn't see that one, but Alex has never apologized to Naomi Wolf regarding the effects of the shots on female reproductive organs. She was right and he was wrong. He is a smaller person for not apologizing and admitting his error. Lost stature for Alex.
The ability and willingness to admit to wrongs is a show of integrity, which Alex lacks.
Naomi has extraordinary integrity.
I took exactly the same action. But as we've learned, Alex never apologizes or admits he was wrong. I was also an early fan of the Breggins. Their book was the first in my "COVID Library." However, I said good-bye to their newsletter as well when they set their sites on Drs. Malone and Desmet. Both situations bothered me a great deal.
I know integrity and Malone has it. But, lacking for time, I've never studied the dispute he had with the Breggins. Can you give a brief summary of why the Breggins were so wrong and why Malone felt it appropriate to sue them for $25 million?
Honestly, my response was purely emotion-driven. Back in those days, I was hoovering up every bit of information I could find from "dissident" doctors and scientists, and Drs. Breggin and Malone were among the earliest, as I recall. I was in quite a state at the time, recoiling from all the "mitigation" measures, all the sheeple in my midst, and searching non-stop for the right products to treat the virus if necessary, and where to find them. I don't recall with any precision what Breggin's beef was ... I simply could not BELIEVE he went after Malone and Desmet ... as far as I was concerned, we were all on the same side and it was like a knife through the heart in that moment. I was quite angry at Breggin. As for the lawsuit, I have even fewer details, but I would suppose that when someone of Breggin's stature takes aim at you, you should take it more seriously than say, a Stew Peters. So Dr. Malone's response didn't seem all that surprising to me.
I have copied and pasted to Word documents, among tens of thousands of page, some of the discussions of the dispute. They were so long they were among the few things I've kept that I did not really even skim. I'll have to go back and read it, unless someone else can pipe in with a nice synopsis. Right now, I only know I would trust Dr. Malone with my life.
Integrity.
The Breggins, however, surprise me. Long-time libertarians, but I never followed them. Off the deep end would be my hypothesis.
My very (very) general sense of the issue was that Breggin objected to Desmet's mass formation thesis, because it laid the blame for the fear response at the feet of the citizenry, instead of blaming the "global predators," as Breggin calls them. I somehow think Dr. Malone's real or imagined "promotion" of Desmet's thesis was Breggin's problem with him (Dr. M) ... but I could be way off base.
And I blame the predators and government schools for having utterly failed in teaching the citizenry critical thinking skills.
I've a hunch Dr. Malone would agree.
OTOH, mass formation is simply the madness of crowds, which has occurred now and then for millennia. And that is in part due to underlying innate personality type: iNtuitives, especially the Thinkers, are much more likely to question; Sensors, much more likely to follow the "experts."
But the fear. The propaganda was extraordinarily well conceived. Horrifyingly so. That's on both perps and victims, but even I might have succumbed had I not been reading Karl Denninger's Market-Ticker who educated me and many others about Antibody Dependent Enhancement and the fact no vaccine had ever been approved without at least five years of animal trials. And I didn't really question the other vaccines until, probably, early 2022. As critical a thinker I am, I thought Andy Wakefield was a nutcase. Now, a hero.