Seems that Donald Trump fits the bill for a truthful politician. Many also shun him and claim he lies much but never seem to give any examples. Yet they support Biden, who seems to only put out lies and propaganda.
Seems that Donald Trump fits the bill for a truthful politician. Many also shun him and claim he lies much but never seem to give any examples. Yet they support Biden, who seems to only put out lies and propaganda.
Robert, Truthful is not the word I would use to describe Trump. Read the reports of the people who have done business with him. The golf course debacle in Scotland is a start. This doesn't mean that I support Biden in any way!
Truthfulness is relative. I would challenge anyone to name a politician who has followed up and delivered on more of his campaign promises then PDJT. Also, how many things he promised were thwarted or seriously delayed by the opposition? For example, the border wall. Common sense would tell us that a border wall would absolutely deter illegal border crossings. The leftys fought this tooth and nail for, I guess, three years before PDJT could figure a way to get this paid for that the leftys couldn't throw a monkey wrench into.
One has to consider the roadblocks the opposition sets in place to any action a person may attempt. Campaign promises don't always go unfulfilled for lack of trying.
52, I'm referring to personal integrity. Donald is a wounded personality from childhood, and that will always influence his decisions. There are too many quirks to list. That doesn't take away from what he could accomplish.
тАЬDonald is a wounded personality from childhoodтАЭ you state? Psychobabble another person like Trump is a perfect example of not speaking truth as Dr Desmet describes; itтАЩs called тАЬpropaganda.тАЭ
So Donald is a wounded personality. I see so much psychological evaluation of Trump but nobody else. My own evaluation says Trump is a real person and wants to fix the mess the country is in and heading towards, caused by the majority of politicians in office that are corrupt, liars, compromised, sold out, incompetent, selfish, cheaters, almost sociopathic. On both sides. Trump has trivial issues compared to them, IMO. We need someone to upset the apple cart, get the tanker moving in another direction, weed out the rot. But they are all in on it, the media, the brainwashed socialists etc. We are pretty far gone. I am an engineer, problem solver. Trump is a problem solver too. Not many out there- mostly problem makers.
Robert, "But nobody else" isn't accurate at all. The memes and articles abound with all the incidence of corruption of the current administration. As with most politicians, Trump is no different, only without a history of actually being in the ring. His history is just as questionable as any from the last number of administrations. Trump spends a lot of time problem solving how to get out of the current lawsuits he's in, not including any to do with the dems. Both parties are blinded as far as I can see. (ha ha). His business interactions are a perfect example of current mafia at its best. So is Biden and his administration with Obama at the helm...
Oh, I just had to comment on "Trump is a real person" did you see the spread in Vanity Fair Mag. that showcased his gold themed living quarters with Melania. Only Liberace topped him. Give me a break. Clinton had Monica, Kennedy had Marilyn, and back and back we go. Jimmy Carter might be the only current pres. with no adultery. Crooked is crooked, no matter what.
After seeing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOfcy5Y_PmA , the part on National Figureheads after about 1 hr into it, Trump is just another tool to manipulate. Podesta emails showed Dems actually wanted him to win. Just another puppet like they all are.
He had the adoration of hundreds of millions, covid is introduced, and he does everything humanly possible to alientate those of us who stood behind, voted for, and had complete trust in him, by his contniued rants, during his rallies, and interviews, how great the warped speed injection of pain and death was for mankind.
Before covid, I would have jumped in front of an armed (knife, gun, bazooka) assassin, in order to preserve the life of the (in my mind) greatest President in US history.
I do not feel the same today, and this is not by my own doing, nor has some loon lefty talked me out of how I feel. This resulted from the blatant, obstinate denial that this jab is harming millions who subjected themselves to it, or any knowledge of any such significant occurances, worldwide.
So, one of the smartest human beings alive doesnt know what is happening? When his own son JR was talking about it ? Is this another man who doesn't discuss anything with his son?
The last interview I actually watched with DJT was with Bret Bair of Faux News, where he stated he couldn't talk about the vaccine anymore, because it bothered, offended, or maddened people (exact words, I do not remember). was so maddened by what I heard him say, I switched off the TV.
I still read his statements almost daily, but I have significant doubts in the man, his intent, his truth telling, his integrity, sad but true. With that being said, I would still vote for him, as I know he is the only person alive, right now, who could galvanize enough people to "possibly" overcome the inherent voter fraud process that governs our elections.
When anyone sends out a simple statement "The worlds greatest vaccine salesman", unfortunately, in my mind, only one image comes forward. Again, sadly enough.
I trusted DJT with all my being at year 3 of his presidency. I cannot say the same today, and I haven't changed who I am, or how I perceive right from wrong.
Just to set the record straight, in my mind anyway, George Washington was our greatest president. I also believe Calvin Coolidge the second best based on his rigid adherence to our Constitution, something none of the others have managed to accomplish.
P.s. agree with everything you said about Trump but he may well be all we will have offered for our vote
I do not know enough about GW, or CC to say anything more that what I already have. I do not, nor did I study history, to my own detriment.
I can say, however, that "during my lifetime", he was the greatest President I was aware of.
I will vote for him again. At this point, if he came out and spoke the truth about the vaccine, it's injuries, and what's going on with it, then maybe he would attain more admiration, followers, truth seekers in his corner, vs the skeptics who exist today. I don't see him coming clean about this issue, but then again, I have been surprised by him in the past.
I learned a little bit about Coolidge and how the international financiers worked behind his back and stabbed him in the back and brought on a Depression. I worked in science and knew little about our presidents in the first half of the 20th century. I realize in my old age how complicated history can be.
Very complicated Dennis. Coolidge was a federalist in his actions as President. The States were to hold all the powers not vested in the USG. He was a thoughtful, caring, religious man who lost a young son while Pres. I have always referred to the international financiers as the financial founding families, the same ones that start all the wars, instituted the U.N. and run the world today, hidden behind the scenes. Probably just a coincidence they are all Jewish.
тАЬOur government rests upon religion. It is from that source that we derive our reverence for truth and justice, for equality and liberality, and for the rights of mankind. Unless the people believe in these principles they cannot believe in our government. There are only two main theories of government in our world. One rests on righteousness and the other on force. One appeals to reason, and the other appeals to the sword. One is exemplified in the republic, the other is represented by despotism.
The government of a country never gets ahead of the religion of a country. There is no way by which we can substitute the authority of law for the virtue of man. Of course we endeavor to restrain the vicious, and furnish a fair degree of security and protection by legislation and police control, but the real reform which society in these days is seeking will come as a result of our religious convictions, or they will not come at all. Peace, justice, humanity, charityтАФthese cannot be legislated into being. They are the result of divine grace.тАЭ
Shelley: I made a copy of the response you sent. I will go to a library and see if I can find a decent book about Coolidge. Like others I know almost nothing about him and the early presidents.
I reread Carr's book Pawns In The Game and Knuth's Empire In The City. I have a lot of books, articles on Freemasonry. It all started in the mid 60s with high school where we read None Dare Call It Treason. But what I like most of all is sites like this where I can get information from those who have followed this stuff and try to make sense out of all of it. I have had no one to educate me about this stuff.
As I get older I feel a loathing for those who used our men and women as pawns in wars such as I learned in USMC late 60s and later in the US Army (where I had a trade) but still worked with infantry, medics, arty, and engineers. I see why older people get sad when they remember the faces of people killed in their youth.
We have our own version of communists who like Lenin and others enjoy destroying.
Malone comes up with great topics.
From the beginning we knew the Ukraine war was fiendish.
Just curious Shelley, How did you file the "grab em by the pussy" comment and so many other crass remarks about men and women. Even the comments made about some military people were so repugnant to me. Someone who is so good at crass name calling and many dubious business dealings (and I know you know what they are) keeps me off his team. When he was a democrat, did you notice him then?
In reading the scriptures it is clear that God can and has selected certain individuals for certain tasks. I am not saying the DJT is ordained, but regardless of the many offenses you find with him, it might just be his calling. He was not the wrecking ball many think he was. We all have worts, some just are not that easily discernable.
DJT (in public) is an egotistical, self centered, pompous ass, and i attribute this to his upbringing, his exposure to wealth, and his numerous successes he's been graced enough to be part of, in his life. He projects to the world that he is a big, tough guy, and don't mess with him, or he'll kick your ass. The opposite is really true.
Just look at his hands, and you can tell this guy couldn't fight his way out of a ripped paper shopping bag. Look at his suits, which have padding in them to make him appear more muscular. He wouldn't know a 10 lb dumbell from Mitch Mconnell, but I digress
Lol
DJT is really a humble, caring, and quite a bit insecure with regards to how he feels about himself as a "manly man". This is why he uses this projection, and boasts about his accomplishments all the time. If he wasn't so insecure, he would never mention the things, he constantly does.
How many times can I hear about him getting all the ventilators? How he got the greatest vaccine ever out there? The greatest US economic recovery? Most beautiful wife and family, and so on.
People who are secure in how they feel about themselves, never talk about it, never mention their accomplishments, never brag about the things they got done, because those feats all speak for themselves. Humble, DJT is not in public, and most likely never will be.
Otoh, I know someone who was on his security detail as President, and said he was kind, considerate, generous, and extremely humble away from the cameras.
I also know someone DJT commissioned a project with, who said the same exact thing.
DJT in person, away from the spotlight, is not the same man you would think, based upon all these episodes where he acts like the misogynistic jackass, all men are capable of being. This is why I'm so conflicted with his ongoing push on the jab, as it violates the entire premise of all that I've heard from those who have had personal interactions with him.
In 1971 after getting out of the USMC I delivered mail in Jamaica Estates, Queens, NY- didn't know about Trump, but I heard that he was tall guy who protected the short and young kids from the bullies. He did throw fists.
DD, How do you know DJT was ever really a democrat? Yes, he may have been registered as a democrat back in the days of JFK/Humphrey styled democrats, but those guys are pretty much extinct these days. It would seem to me that to do business in NYC one would be at a huge disadvantage if the people you were trying to do business with knew you weren't a democrat. I would posit that he just allowed people to think he was a democrat. Cancelation for democrats is not a new thing. It's just a lot less subtle now than it used to be.
Also, I learned, mostly the hard way, after 30 years in business, not to put too much stock in the rantings of sore losers.
Agreed on the covid issue. It looked to me like he bought the 95% effectiveness lie that Fauci and company were spreading at the beginning of the plandemic. Truth be known I wanted to believe it too, but my gut kept telling me to stand back, something isn't right here. I did and I'm glad of it.
That being said, did Trump really believe it, OR was his motive to let the leftys have enough rope to hang themselves. Unfortunately, in my mind, this vax was far too damaging to far too many people to let it run so the truly awful results could be used politically later. So yeah, I'm not too proud of Trump in this case.
Seems that Donald Trump fits the bill for a truthful politician. Many also shun him and claim he lies much but never seem to give any examples. Yet they support Biden, who seems to only put out lies and propaganda.
Robert, Truthful is not the word I would use to describe Trump. Read the reports of the people who have done business with him. The golf course debacle in Scotland is a start. This doesn't mean that I support Biden in any way!
Truthfulness is relative. I would challenge anyone to name a politician who has followed up and delivered on more of his campaign promises then PDJT. Also, how many things he promised were thwarted or seriously delayed by the opposition? For example, the border wall. Common sense would tell us that a border wall would absolutely deter illegal border crossings. The leftys fought this tooth and nail for, I guess, three years before PDJT could figure a way to get this paid for that the leftys couldn't throw a monkey wrench into.
One has to consider the roadblocks the opposition sets in place to any action a person may attempt. Campaign promises don't always go unfulfilled for lack of trying.
52, I'm referring to personal integrity. Donald is a wounded personality from childhood, and that will always influence his decisions. There are too many quirks to list. That doesn't take away from what he could accomplish.
тАЬDonald is a wounded personality from childhoodтАЭ you state? Psychobabble another person like Trump is a perfect example of not speaking truth as Dr Desmet describes; itтАЩs called тАЬpropaganda.тАЭ
That wasn't "psychobabble" that was being kind. You ought to know with your background.
So Donald is a wounded personality. I see so much psychological evaluation of Trump but nobody else. My own evaluation says Trump is a real person and wants to fix the mess the country is in and heading towards, caused by the majority of politicians in office that are corrupt, liars, compromised, sold out, incompetent, selfish, cheaters, almost sociopathic. On both sides. Trump has trivial issues compared to them, IMO. We need someone to upset the apple cart, get the tanker moving in another direction, weed out the rot. But they are all in on it, the media, the brainwashed socialists etc. We are pretty far gone. I am an engineer, problem solver. Trump is a problem solver too. Not many out there- mostly problem makers.
Robert, "But nobody else" isn't accurate at all. The memes and articles abound with all the incidence of corruption of the current administration. As with most politicians, Trump is no different, only without a history of actually being in the ring. His history is just as questionable as any from the last number of administrations. Trump spends a lot of time problem solving how to get out of the current lawsuits he's in, not including any to do with the dems. Both parties are blinded as far as I can see. (ha ha). His business interactions are a perfect example of current mafia at its best. So is Biden and his administration with Obama at the helm...
Oh, I just had to comment on "Trump is a real person" did you see the spread in Vanity Fair Mag. that showcased his gold themed living quarters with Melania. Only Liberace topped him. Give me a break. Clinton had Monica, Kennedy had Marilyn, and back and back we go. Jimmy Carter might be the only current pres. with no adultery. Crooked is crooked, no matter what.
After seeing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOfcy5Y_PmA , the part on National Figureheads after about 1 hr into it, Trump is just another tool to manipulate. Podesta emails showed Dems actually wanted him to win. Just another puppet like they all are.
Robert,
DJT is his own worst enemy.
He had the adoration of hundreds of millions, covid is introduced, and he does everything humanly possible to alientate those of us who stood behind, voted for, and had complete trust in him, by his contniued rants, during his rallies, and interviews, how great the warped speed injection of pain and death was for mankind.
Before covid, I would have jumped in front of an armed (knife, gun, bazooka) assassin, in order to preserve the life of the (in my mind) greatest President in US history.
I do not feel the same today, and this is not by my own doing, nor has some loon lefty talked me out of how I feel. This resulted from the blatant, obstinate denial that this jab is harming millions who subjected themselves to it, or any knowledge of any such significant occurances, worldwide.
So, one of the smartest human beings alive doesnt know what is happening? When his own son JR was talking about it ? Is this another man who doesn't discuss anything with his son?
The last interview I actually watched with DJT was with Bret Bair of Faux News, where he stated he couldn't talk about the vaccine anymore, because it bothered, offended, or maddened people (exact words, I do not remember). was so maddened by what I heard him say, I switched off the TV.
I still read his statements almost daily, but I have significant doubts in the man, his intent, his truth telling, his integrity, sad but true. With that being said, I would still vote for him, as I know he is the only person alive, right now, who could galvanize enough people to "possibly" overcome the inherent voter fraud process that governs our elections.
When anyone sends out a simple statement "The worlds greatest vaccine salesman", unfortunately, in my mind, only one image comes forward. Again, sadly enough.
I trusted DJT with all my being at year 3 of his presidency. I cannot say the same today, and I haven't changed who I am, or how I perceive right from wrong.
Just to set the record straight, in my mind anyway, George Washington was our greatest president. I also believe Calvin Coolidge the second best based on his rigid adherence to our Constitution, something none of the others have managed to accomplish.
P.s. agree with everything you said about Trump but he may well be all we will have offered for our vote
Michael,
I do not know enough about GW, or CC to say anything more that what I already have. I do not, nor did I study history, to my own detriment.
I can say, however, that "during my lifetime", he was the greatest President I was aware of.
I will vote for him again. At this point, if he came out and spoke the truth about the vaccine, it's injuries, and what's going on with it, then maybe he would attain more admiration, followers, truth seekers in his corner, vs the skeptics who exist today. I don't see him coming clean about this issue, but then again, I have been surprised by him in the past.
I learned a little bit about Coolidge and how the international financiers worked behind his back and stabbed him in the back and brought on a Depression. I worked in science and knew little about our presidents in the first half of the 20th century. I realize in my old age how complicated history can be.
Very complicated Dennis. Coolidge was a federalist in his actions as President. The States were to hold all the powers not vested in the USG. He was a thoughtful, caring, religious man who lost a young son while Pres. I have always referred to the international financiers as the financial founding families, the same ones that start all the wars, instituted the U.N. and run the world today, hidden behind the scenes. Probably just a coincidence they are all Jewish.
тАЬOur government rests upon religion. It is from that source that we derive our reverence for truth and justice, for equality and liberality, and for the rights of mankind. Unless the people believe in these principles they cannot believe in our government. There are only two main theories of government in our world. One rests on righteousness and the other on force. One appeals to reason, and the other appeals to the sword. One is exemplified in the republic, the other is represented by despotism.
The government of a country never gets ahead of the religion of a country. There is no way by which we can substitute the authority of law for the virtue of man. Of course we endeavor to restrain the vicious, and furnish a fair degree of security and protection by legislation and police control, but the real reform which society in these days is seeking will come as a result of our religious convictions, or they will not come at all. Peace, justice, humanity, charityтАФthese cannot be legislated into being. They are the result of divine grace.тАЭ
тАХ Calvin Coolidge
Amen Shelley as usual!!
Shelley: I made a copy of the response you sent. I will go to a library and see if I can find a decent book about Coolidge. Like others I know almost nothing about him and the early presidents.
I reread Carr's book Pawns In The Game and Knuth's Empire In The City. I have a lot of books, articles on Freemasonry. It all started in the mid 60s with high school where we read None Dare Call It Treason. But what I like most of all is sites like this where I can get information from those who have followed this stuff and try to make sense out of all of it. I have had no one to educate me about this stuff.
As I get older I feel a loathing for those who used our men and women as pawns in wars such as I learned in USMC late 60s and later in the US Army (where I had a trade) but still worked with infantry, medics, arty, and engineers. I see why older people get sad when they remember the faces of people killed in their youth.
We have our own version of communists who like Lenin and others enjoy destroying.
Malone comes up with great topics.
From the beginning we knew the Ukraine war was fiendish.
Ditto, ditto, ditto!
Just curious Shelley, How did you file the "grab em by the pussy" comment and so many other crass remarks about men and women. Even the comments made about some military people were so repugnant to me. Someone who is so good at crass name calling and many dubious business dealings (and I know you know what they are) keeps me off his team. When he was a democrat, did you notice him then?
In reading the scriptures it is clear that God can and has selected certain individuals for certain tasks. I am not saying the DJT is ordained, but regardless of the many offenses you find with him, it might just be his calling. He was not the wrecking ball many think he was. We all have worts, some just are not that easily discernable.
DJT (in public) is an egotistical, self centered, pompous ass, and i attribute this to his upbringing, his exposure to wealth, and his numerous successes he's been graced enough to be part of, in his life. He projects to the world that he is a big, tough guy, and don't mess with him, or he'll kick your ass. The opposite is really true.
Just look at his hands, and you can tell this guy couldn't fight his way out of a ripped paper shopping bag. Look at his suits, which have padding in them to make him appear more muscular. He wouldn't know a 10 lb dumbell from Mitch Mconnell, but I digress
Lol
DJT is really a humble, caring, and quite a bit insecure with regards to how he feels about himself as a "manly man". This is why he uses this projection, and boasts about his accomplishments all the time. If he wasn't so insecure, he would never mention the things, he constantly does.
How many times can I hear about him getting all the ventilators? How he got the greatest vaccine ever out there? The greatest US economic recovery? Most beautiful wife and family, and so on.
People who are secure in how they feel about themselves, never talk about it, never mention their accomplishments, never brag about the things they got done, because those feats all speak for themselves. Humble, DJT is not in public, and most likely never will be.
Otoh, I know someone who was on his security detail as President, and said he was kind, considerate, generous, and extremely humble away from the cameras.
I also know someone DJT commissioned a project with, who said the same exact thing.
DJT in person, away from the spotlight, is not the same man you would think, based upon all these episodes where he acts like the misogynistic jackass, all men are capable of being. This is why I'm so conflicted with his ongoing push on the jab, as it violates the entire premise of all that I've heard from those who have had personal interactions with him.
I heard early on he built one of his golf courses when he found out the nearby one did not allow blacks.
In 1971 after getting out of the USMC I delivered mail in Jamaica Estates, Queens, NY- didn't know about Trump, but I heard that he was tall guy who protected the short and young kids from the bullies. He did throw fists.
Did you serve in Vietnam?
Ditto
I had no idea who he was until he ran for pres in 2015. Never lived on the east coast or watched TV.
Ditto
DD, How do you know DJT was ever really a democrat? Yes, he may have been registered as a democrat back in the days of JFK/Humphrey styled democrats, but those guys are pretty much extinct these days. It would seem to me that to do business in NYC one would be at a huge disadvantage if the people you were trying to do business with knew you weren't a democrat. I would posit that he just allowed people to think he was a democrat. Cancelation for democrats is not a new thing. It's just a lot less subtle now than it used to be.
Also, I learned, mostly the hard way, after 30 years in business, not to put too much stock in the rantings of sore losers.
Why does it always seem to be a personal decision between the lesser of two evils?
Anyone else grab this notion of "Is this the best we get to pick from" as repeating and repeating after JFK/MLK/RFK demise?
Agreed on the covid issue. It looked to me like he bought the 95% effectiveness lie that Fauci and company were spreading at the beginning of the plandemic. Truth be known I wanted to believe it too, but my gut kept telling me to stand back, something isn't right here. I did and I'm glad of it.
That being said, did Trump really believe it, OR was his motive to let the leftys have enough rope to hang themselves. Unfortunately, in my mind, this vax was far too damaging to far too many people to let it run so the truly awful results could be used politically later. So yeah, I'm not too proud of Trump in this case.