The problem is that a large minority of these “adults” are choosing not to work or have a career, not to date, not to own many possessions and to not have a family. They want to earn the minimum amount possible to survive and then live life on the internet.
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I obviously can't speak to everybody who's in this situation, but w…
The problem is that a large minority of these “adults” are choosing not to work or have a career, not to date, not to own many possessions and to not have a family. They want to earn the minimum amount possible to survive and then live life on the internet.
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I obviously can't speak to everybody who's in this situation, but when I decided to become a minimalist (way before it was cool, obviously), it was because I couldn't stand the thought of funding all of the immoral shit that government does with my tax money. At that time, it was war and funding censorship against the people who dared go against the narrative -- these days it's.........war and funding censorship against the people who dared go against the narrative. 😕
I empathize with the young people who see homes and a 'regular' life as out of reach -- their labor and savings is being drastically devalued every day and they know the game is rigged. How much of your energy should be put into making the treadmill spin?
My oldest son once said the more one achieves and accumulates the more effort is spent finding places to store and secure it while upping one's percentage of time worrying about what life would be like without these valuables.
He also believed in these Adrian Rogers statements:
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
• What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
• The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
I see nothing wrong with living a life with only theh possessions that one needs. Even though I own a good sized home with a swimming pool in the back yard and two cars I would probably own much less if I didn't have a wife and three teenaged children.
It is disconcerting to see so many young people languishing at home into their late twenties and thirties, content to drift along with a minimum of effort.
Young men who live like this seem to have been somehow neutered. They have no lust for life or adventure. They seek no challenges. They shy away from even healthy competition. They lack curiosity.
Absolutely- where have “all the real men gone”? Hard work and sweat equity doesn’t seem to exist anymore- for those that were raised in this fashion. Yes, this is definitely not for the younger generations, and I agree, government always takes their cut first! The term I’ve used, “my future’s so bright, I gotta wear shades”, doesn’t seem to apply much now!
That is the city life that they were born into and don't forget their souls were destroyed by how many vaccines? it's beyond my imagination... poor little kids. Now just like their Parents without backbones, wiped out by their vaccines and slippery secularism. You can see we're coming to the Cross Roads. Fret not thyself...
My son born in 1972 was given so many vaccines he could have been a pin cushion. My daughter born in 1964 had several. The reason Big Pharma was given immunity is because they were going to stop making vaccines. Obviously our politicians stopped that. One must compare data with 3rd world countries, where vaccines are not available. Perhaps that would show positive or negative. Vaccines developed in the 60s no longer big money makers for pharma.
We don't need to use 3rd world data. We have a cohort in our country. It's called the Amish. Fed gov has been keeping stats for a couple of generation - won't share the findings, although some leaked out recently. It seems that many of the prevalent childhood chronic diseases are extremely rare in the Amish cohort. They cannot be compelled by the same laws as the rest of us.
The fact that there are so many healthy people completely unvaccinated should ring some bells.
This COVID nonsense has really backfired on the vaccine industry. I trusted Public Health....never questioned the efficacy of vaccines. I didn't look carefully enough at the actual benefits. Nor did I read enough about the negative effects.
Now I know. Good luck getting me to vaccinate against anything ever again. I'll need solid evidence that the benefits will outweigh the risks.
This is what happens when governments lie to the people. The government has lost the confidence and trust of people like me.
I just assumed they were working in my best interests. Now I assume that they are lying. They're tricksters and weasels.
You didn’t give your age, but you probably got 3 to 11 shots. Feel free to go get yourself injected with the 70 - 80 shots kids today are given and then report back on how safe they are.
Truthfully my Grandfather went down into a coalmine at age 8. Only left to fight in WW1. Please do not make vaccines an excuse for not getting a job and supporting yourself. Have you studied the child mortality rates from the early to mid 1990s or prior. My niegbours were all holocaust survivors. Went through Hell. Came to the USA and worked. Even I don't know how they carried on. Dead children and dead families. Experimentation etc. My nephew told me he wants to work. Just has to be something he likes doing. 40 and supported by his widowed mother.
"something he likes doing" - How will he ever know what he likes unless he finds things out by tying? Hopefully his mom is wealthy enough to carry him after she passes. Seniors today are discovering near impossible to live on SS, particularly in a city.
My husband has COPD, age 80. We have friends in their 90s. All our elderly friends had the first Covid shot and 2 boosters. None died or had a negative reaction. I agree it should not have been mandated. I'm interested in the findings regarding the effects on young people. My children were pin cushions up until age 2. No negative reactions. However everyone is different. The reason it takes about 5 years to adequately test a drug prior to FDA approval. Everyone knew COVID was fast tracked and impossible for it to have been adequately tested. FdA approved it anyway. So blame them and our politicians. I was born in 1946. In the 50s we all received Polio vaccine. I don't know anyone who had Polio. When we immigrated to the USA in 1959 certain vaccines were mandatory for entrance. I'm curious about claims that certain vaccines cause autism etc. I believe the claim should be looked into. My daughter works for Abbott. She is the first to admitt no way was the COVID vaccine properly tested.
The thing with serious side effects to the COVID vaccine is that it is 1/500. Doesn't sound like a high percentage but it is when you mandate the shot. It means that a significant number of people will be seriously injured or killed from a vaccine that has very questionable benefits.
For every other medication that would be enough to have it taken off of the market. So people were killed because of political choices that were made.
As far as vaccines and autism goes, it it nearly impossible to definitively link a single vaccine to autism. I see patients in the clinic where I work. Some are taking about 15 different medications.
You're lucky if somebody discovers 2 medications that should not be taken together, let alone a dozen of them.
TBH, I'm OK with all of this when there is no coersion and not mandates for any vaccination/medication.
Some people aren't smart enough to figure these things out and that's the price you pay when you put your trust in the system.
I trusted the system because I didn't know how corrupt the system is. Yes, I was naiive and it disturbs me to know how gullible I was at my age. I have no excuse. Given enough time and effort I can figure out most scientific papers. But now that I know about the lies, I won't even give it a second look.
I assume that they are lying. That is perhaps too cynical of me and maybe it isn't even good for me but that's where I'm at. I assume that they are actively lying or at the very least, they are not revealing all that they know.
Yeah. Over seventy damn vaccinations. Regional Health sent my kids letters about their not up to date vaccinations.
Fortunately my children have escaped unscathed but I wonder about all of the autistic children these days. Are they over-diagnosing kids on the spectrum or are they damaging kids with all of the shit they're exposing them to at a young age?
Whatever the truth is, it is clear that North Americans are fatter and less fit than they were 50 years ago. We're medicated to the gills and vaccinated like crazy. Where's the upside for all of the money we've spent on improving heath for the general public? How many more decades will we be told that money for fighting cancer is well spent?
I've worked as a med tech for almost 50 years. I thinks people are less healthy now than they were when I started working. That's a sad commentary on modern day medicine.
I don't believe that vaccines destroy souls. Where they injure, they can make life more difficult, though. The basic will to live on the part of the younger generations is definitely diminishing.
I had the Salk vaccine. Live vaccine cultured on monkey kidney tissue contaminated with SIV, cytomegloviris and hepatitis deactivated with formaldehyde it definitely killed something inside me, a deep connection that I knew. Forever. Poor kids. I didn't let them vaccinate any of my kids ever.
After the McNothing Burger that COVID turned out to be and all the lies we were told about the mRNA vaccine, I'll be hesitant to vaccinate myself again.....for anything. As a healthcare worker I should have been more diligent in the past when receiving vaccinations.....even the influenza vaccine. I had trust in the Public Health System. All of that trust is gone and maybe that's a good thing. My eyes have been opened.
Incidentally my husband owned a Gay Bar in the 1980s. We buried many friends. Some in early 20s. It was a very sad time. Fortunately medicine is available to allow a person to live a semi normal life.
Aids was and is a sexually transmitted disease. Women and children got it from bisexuality amongst men. Polio vaccine from early 50s. Aids in the 1980s.
AIDS is far more nuanced than this. There is HIV negative AIDS. There were AIDS like illnesses before the 80s. We've been sold on the idea that the HIV virus is the sole cause of AIDS. The more I read about AIDS the less convinced I am that HIV alone is the causative agent.
I remember my first AIDS patient. There are some parallels between AIDS and COVID and terrorism and just about anything that galvanizes the attention of most people, all governments and the MSM.
The enemy becomes the sole focus for society, whatever that enemy is identified to be. "THE" enemy becomes the overriding concern of everybody all of the time. The magnitude of the problem is amplified far beyond itself. And the people go for it like hungry fish biting on to a lure cleverly placed where we cannot ignore it.
You got lucky I was the yellow kid from the hepatitis. Terrible lifelong allergy to the formaldehyde. But the doctors had already really messed up my life pretty bad and I was pretty compromised. I personally suspect that the wasting blood herpes cytomegalovirus was responsible for so much chronic fatigue in my generation. I finally beat it with natural herbal cure.
I understood that there was a strain of Polio vaccine that was contaminated. Wasn't sent to England. No issues with what we were given. I'm sorry you suffered so much.
Thats all fine and good if they are willing to make a go at it on their own, leave the system and set up an alternative society, but this is whining and quitting.
Yes, society failed them, but do something about it. Playing video games in your basement and ignoring life because "it sucks" was never an option in human history.
How did "society" fail them? I was born in England right after WW11. We had little to eat and played in bombed out bldg"s. Surely former generations were failed by society. Two class system and not allowed to move up, etc. Difference is we didn't have media telling us we had been "failed" ! Read Main Street.....by Sinclair. Obviously these kids had life too easy. Even in the 1950s kids delivered newspapers. Mowed lawns etc. Whatever went wrong happened after we became a two car, TV in every room and of course computer and games society.
I appreciate your question and I understand the validity of your perspective. My mother was born several years before you, recently deceased, and I get it.
The difference is this, modern children are not, in majority, in the US, given the options or the culture to succeed as you did.
The problem isn't that times are hard, they are in many ways too easy. What you went through breeds fortitude. What these kids are going through breeds entitlement.
Parents fault. Baby Boomers wanted children to have a better life. We over did it. Letting a kid play video games for hours or days is not anything a responsible parent would have done. I have spent time with parents who allowed 1 hour down time after school. Then homework and chores. Kids ate turning out as individuals who will make their own way. These kids are of all ethnicities. They have educated parents. Bernie Sanders suggested parenting classes. I agree with that.
"Whatever went wrong..." -- I appreciate your view and experience, similar to my own, but need to point out that in many places in the US, delivering newspapers (which are essentially defunct) and mowing lawns, as well as other jobs that involve kids working outside the house can be dangerous. One of the "whatever went wrong" things is kidnapping, pedophilia and trafficking of children. A society that tolerates this is "what happened", and what is tolerated today would never have been when you and I were growing up.
Those abuses have always existed.Are you aware that until 1965 Christians were taking Native children awsy from parents to breed the indian out of them. 3 out of every 10 died. . They were subjected to every kind of abuse. I was molested at age 6 by a stranger with a knife against my throat. We didn't have the media coverage. Clergy molesting children started centuries ago. We are careful today and for children born into decent families the abuse is less. The
Newborn babies sent home with drug addicted 14 year old mothers and those coming across our border unaccompanied are at great risk. Mowing lawns has been turned over to paid adults. In rural areas the kids still work in the fast food restaurants. Only in the cities have people taken them as a job for life. We can all pay our own children to perform chores. They can mow the lawn and trim the bushes. But we don't.
Post WW2 Britain was a tough time. I was born in the UK in 1956. The stories my dad told me (British Navy WW2) were interesting and his experiences shaped his tough mindset. Going through war can do that to people. I hate war but like the COVID experience it can bring out the best and worst in people.
My dad decided that as a working class dude in England, he'd be better off in the "colonies". It was Canada instead of New Zealand because flying back to see family was easier. It wasn't because Canada was so great. But at least here it was more about what you did than who your parents were.
My Dad Royal Navy Submarine Division WW2. Yes, England a 2 class system people were expected to stay in the low class if born there. We immigrated to USA because my Mom loved American films. It was a mistake because we left behind a very large and loving family. Plus i was almost 13. Lost my very close friend's.
We started off a lot poorer in Canada than if we'd stayed in England. I liked my country but it's become a woke hell with a trust fund Prime Minister who has no connection with the real people of Canada. This is what happens when you elect elitists who have less than average intelligence and no knowledge of the real world and what it takes to survive when you don't have a rich family to bail you out.
Very beautiful area. I would have missed it. My cousin immigrated to Canada then applied to come into the USA. Was given legal immigrant status. Late 1960s. 2 weeks after he arrived he was drafted and sent to Vietnam.
My dad was offered a good job in the US. He didn't take it. It was during the Viet Nam war. He told them, "I have a son". We stayed in Canada.
Two rules with the old man. Don't go into the military and you're not to own a motorcycle. He knew what I was like and he wanted to keep me alive. God bless you dad. You're in heaven now. I say that about everybody I loved. Who knows if it's true? Who cares? That's what you say.....it's sappy but it's all you can say when you love somebody and they pass.
You are talking about a time when people had a more aggressive, even defiant, attitude towards life. The problem now is that these people are demoralized. They see no solution, no way out except the "reset" button of death. They need guidance from us that will match their reality enough for them to pay attention to it.
I was born in a time when it was work or starve. No choice. When my grandfather went down a coalmine at age 8, his mother was glad to get his paypacket. We didn't consider choice. Knew we had none if we wanted to survive. My grandmother took in laundry and cleaned houses to feed her nine children. They ate pigeons. For Christmas we recieved nuts and oranges. Fruit a luxury after WW2 in England. Rationed..everything was for 10 years. No choices.
My grandad trapped rabbits to feed the family. My first wife had a brother who owned a pet rabbit. He paid about $300 for medication for this rabbit when it got sick. This was in the 80s. I laughed my ass off at the stupidity of spending $300 on a rabbit. That's just me thinking about my grandad feeding the family with trapped rabbits while this kid spends $300 to cure a fricking rabbit. I know. Perspective is everything.
It's like my dog. I love him but he's 14. I'm not going to spend thousands on a dog to keep him alive for another few months. I wouldn't do it for myself and fortunately I can make intelligent decisions for my old friend. I won't let him suffer so that I can have more time with him. That's just self-indulgent bullshit and I don't get it. Sure, I have enough money that I could spend 10 grand keeping my old dog alive but when you think about it in any rational way, that is insanity. It's selfish and it's cruel and people think that they are being kind. They are just being sentimental. Your dog doesn't even really know that he's a dog. You just project all of these human thoughts on to your dog. Of course we don't know what a dog really thinks but consider this. One minute he's biting you and a few seconds later he's licking you. He has no concept of the future....maybe some memory of the past. Don't make your dog suffer so that you aren't lonely and grieving. He'll be in dog heaven. God bless him.
Sometimes I think my dog will go to hell....he attacked a deer....just a baby...but he was bred to kill. He's a cross between a Yorkshire Terrier and a Jack Russell Terrier. That's a lot of terrier in an 18 pound package. Genetically modified dog. I love him but by human standards he's a nasty little bastard. I'll miss him terribly when he passes. We have a bet amongst my friends about who will die first, my dog or I. I didn't even want a damned dog. My wife and kids wanted a dog. Now he's my dog and he's my best friend.
I had a 5lb Yorke. Most vicious dog I have ever owned. She attacked a Husky while with my daughter. Husky won. In hospital a week. Stood in the window, they go to the floor, tubes sticking out from her, Husky walks by she barks and growls. Just wait until I get out of here. Of course raised in Scotland to attack the rats that went under the looms. My husband would say if that dog was any bigger she would be dangerous. I named her Tipperary. My Granda used to sing the song "Its a long way to Tipperary" Good memory.
There's something so admirable about the little sods. They're so cocky and fearless. Bentley is my first dog. I grew up in a 'cat' family.
When we first received Bentley (from a co-worker who had to leave him at home alone all day. making him unhappy) we didn't get along. He would bite me and I regret to say that I hit him.
I'm sorry Bentley. I didn't hit him hard. It didn't matter anyhow. He still bit me. I didn't know dogs. He sleeps with me now. When I get up, he gets up. If I go outside, he goes outside. He follows me everywhere. I take him everywhere with me. He doesn't bite me very often anymore except when he wants to steal the cat's food and I try to get him away from the bowl. Then he bites me. I don't hit him. I just call him a vicious bastard. He just doesn't get it. He's the boss and why don't I understand? I guess I do now. Respect.
Our friends have a Bernese Mountain/Poodle. Huge dog. Bentley attacked him. Bentley is not invited back. Now I understand the saying "a man's best friend is his dog".
I often wonder if Yorkies have zero idea about how small they are. They are David attacking Goliath. They must have heard the story. Tippy lived to be 17. Thank you your story was the most upbeat I have read all week.
LOL. I don't think dogs have a good idea about their size. My little dog will attack a large dog but he does seem to have an understanding about how dangerously aggressive the other dog is. He'll avoid a dog that is overtly aggressive.
So he's not completely oblivious to danger, apparently.
What's curious is that those people rose to the occasion when they were in a situation that was very physically challenging. But when modern people are emotionally challenged by what basically amounts to propaganda, they cave in. Except for some places, the physical stress is really not that bad. It seems that the mismatch between the emotional and the physical drives people crazy.
Yes, Cold War and Vietnam, no big deal. Oh and Korea. Its the media, 24/7 telling them every negative they can come up with. That and the cost of living in cities.
Ultimately I agree with you because ultimately you have to suck it up and overcome whatever life throws in front of you, but what about the world right now makes you think that anything that anybody did would change the system? (Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your post)
And ultimately any protest that these people did would be for MORE STUFF. I don't think that's the answer?
I really feel for this young generation, I have nieces and cousins in their teens, a son who is ten, and am trying very hard to understand what they are going through, what messaging they have been exposed to, and for those in their 20s and early 30s, they were really the test group, and I feel for them too, its awful what they have absorbed.
I grew up on a farm working my butt off. If you tried to make an excuse on that property, things would get ugly fast.
So, there is a canyon there between my experience and the experience of this young adult crowd.
I do not think the system is changeable outside of a mass awareness which I think is chemically blocked from ever happening, but you can live outside the system, not entirely, but with the right group of people, it is possible.
All I am saying is this young adult generation, rather than improve or remove themselves from society, basically just sits on it and enjoys what they enjoy about it and effs the rest.
And I think that was goal, to be honest. Call me crazy, but too many variables fell right into place to make this happen for me to believe it is random.
Whenever I consider that it ISN'T random I think about how incompetent governments and government agencies have always been. I think much of what is happening is a consequence of eusocial indoctrination....that is, convincing red-blooded boys to be passive and to shy away from their natural aggression and lust because they are told that it is "toxic masculinity".
As a 12 year old kid I was subjected to bullying but I think it ultimately made me a stronger person. I don't think bullying is in any way a good thing but I think it is also wrong to deny that there will be physical conflict between young men and part of growing up is dealing with people who pose a physical threat to you. You have to use your wits and your fists sometimes when things go very wrong. And in life things occasionally go very wrong. Insulating young people from this and pretending it doesn't exist and that it won't ever happen to them opens the door for psychopaths who will take advantage of the passive new world. There are plenty of people who still really don't give a damn who they hurt and they will prey upon the sheep.
It's no joke being messed with when you're 12. I wouldn't wish it on anybody. I'm glad they've clamped down on bullying.
I learned to be fairly tough I guess but I didn't like it. Some guys I knew were beaten really badly. One kid lost an eye. That's just psychopaths getting away with criminal behaviour.
I found out that one of my abusers became a bouncer on the West Coast and some dude sliced his belly open with a knife.
Well I was picking up my friends 12 year old from school. Jack declared upon entering my car that the world would end in his lifetime. Volcano,.huge things hurling against the earth,.etc. etc. Why scare our kids.
So Commander, do you have an explanation or a solution? Do we all need to just be resigned to our fate, or is there something we could do about all this? (I think there is.)
Personally I think the solution lies with seeking out like-minded folks and routing around the entire system when possible. Cooperative collaboration is the most powerful human force in the world -- we need to take advantage of it.
I surround myself with like-minded folks. Unfortunately that means that I don't have many friends LOL.
That's OK. Now that I'm semi-retired I can be more choosey. I don't have to toady to asshole co-workers and bosses. And I've decided that I don't want to waste my energy befriending people who I don't share values with. COVID has left me with fewer friends and it has distanced me from some family members. That's actually a good thing. You learn who you can trust and who you want to spend time with.
Yeah, it's been a lonely road the past 4 years. COVID winnowed out the wheat from the chaff, and there is little in the wheat pile. Ostracized at my university (I'm a professor), my friends too afraid to venture out and live, I've become more introverted than ever. My kids and my sister are all on the same page, so I have that, at least. But a year ago I made a conscious decision to flee Baltimore City for a few acres in WV. It's hard as heck tending the land, building a garden, raising chickens for the first time but I'm learning. Here, I'm surrounded with like-minded folks, including farmers and hunters and those who don't like government's overreach. I'm exhausted but feel blessed. Peace...
I have chosen the route of a loud insurgency that doesn't sound like an insurgency. It sounds so kooky that most of the "big guys" just laugh at it.
It's hard to say how much they really know about the reality of the situation. More than us, perhaps, but how much more? Maybe not that much more. The only real way through this situation is magic. And that translates in this universe to spiritual freedom.
The idea of creating a parallel system that conforms to a higher set of ethical and moral standards is not without merit. But who's going to set up an entire parallel factory to manufacture smart phones? Or cars? Most people I work with think that the only way to do this is to retake the corporate world (which these days includes governments). And you do that one person at a time by, basically, giving them the realization that there is an ethical way forward. So we have our own "cooperative collaboration" to accomplish this. After 26 years working directly on such projects, I currently sit on the fringes, retired and doing my own thing trying to get more intellectuals to question more of their basic assumptions and to go where "no man has gone before."
I think parenting classes (but who will teach them and what will they teach?) are just as needed, if not more, in the suburbs and among the rich and famous. Why single out "inner cities?"
Because I have volunteered in Chicago. Single moms with 2 plus children. No Dad's and not a clue. I live in the suburbs. Our African American kids graduate high-school and often go to college. Rare in the inner city.
Very insightful. You describe the problem very well. Now if we can just explain to this generation the solution. You see, they have been taught a self-centric communist view of reality. Karl Marx literally believed that if a rich person was feeding you dinner, you should kill him because no one that "stupid" should have money. Karl Marx could not understand generosity because a heart devoted to satan can’t understand good. Karl Marx was not an atheist. If you read all his writings, you find out that he very much believed in God - and he hated God because he couldn’t be God! This is why communism destroys everything, because it is literally satan – the absence of God. The solution is Jesus. Jesus shows us a life worth meaning is living a life outside of yourself. When people live out what Jesus taught, they discover that all their dreams come true, because when your dreams are aligned with true love – they can’t help but come true. Anyone of us with children know this is true. Anything and everything I have ever accomplished pales in comparison to seeing my children win and succeed. It literally is living proof. Need more to chew on? Read the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. It has also been made into a hit Hollywood movie.
The problem is that a large minority of these “adults” are choosing not to work or have a career, not to date, not to own many possessions and to not have a family. They want to earn the minimum amount possible to survive and then live life on the internet.
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I obviously can't speak to everybody who's in this situation, but when I decided to become a minimalist (way before it was cool, obviously), it was because I couldn't stand the thought of funding all of the immoral shit that government does with my tax money. At that time, it was war and funding censorship against the people who dared go against the narrative -- these days it's.........war and funding censorship against the people who dared go against the narrative. 😕
I empathize with the young people who see homes and a 'regular' life as out of reach -- their labor and savings is being drastically devalued every day and they know the game is rigged. How much of your energy should be put into making the treadmill spin?
My oldest son once said the more one achieves and accumulates the more effort is spent finding places to store and secure it while upping one's percentage of time worrying about what life would be like without these valuables.
He also believed in these Adrian Rogers statements:
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
• What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
• The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
I see nothing wrong with living a life with only theh possessions that one needs. Even though I own a good sized home with a swimming pool in the back yard and two cars I would probably own much less if I didn't have a wife and three teenaged children.
It is disconcerting to see so many young people languishing at home into their late twenties and thirties, content to drift along with a minimum of effort.
Young men who live like this seem to have been somehow neutered. They have no lust for life or adventure. They seek no challenges. They shy away from even healthy competition. They lack curiosity.
They have no balls.
Absolutely- where have “all the real men gone”? Hard work and sweat equity doesn’t seem to exist anymore- for those that were raised in this fashion. Yes, this is definitely not for the younger generations, and I agree, government always takes their cut first! The term I’ve used, “my future’s so bright, I gotta wear shades”, doesn’t seem to apply much now!
Yep. At its core government produces nothing, it only takes from the productive and re-allocates those resources based on political reasoning.
That is the city life that they were born into and don't forget their souls were destroyed by how many vaccines? it's beyond my imagination... poor little kids. Now just like their Parents without backbones, wiped out by their vaccines and slippery secularism. You can see we're coming to the Cross Roads. Fret not thyself...
Vaccines have been administered since the early 1950s. Didn't prevent my generation from going to work and supporting ourselves.
There were only three if I remember correctly. The ramp-up didn't real start until the late 1980s when big pharma was given immunity from harms.
My son born in 1972 was given so many vaccines he could have been a pin cushion. My daughter born in 1964 had several. The reason Big Pharma was given immunity is because they were going to stop making vaccines. Obviously our politicians stopped that. One must compare data with 3rd world countries, where vaccines are not available. Perhaps that would show positive or negative. Vaccines developed in the 60s no longer big money makers for pharma.
We don't need to use 3rd world data. We have a cohort in our country. It's called the Amish. Fed gov has been keeping stats for a couple of generation - won't share the findings, although some leaked out recently. It seems that many of the prevalent childhood chronic diseases are extremely rare in the Amish cohort. They cannot be compelled by the same laws as the rest of us.
The fact that there are so many healthy people completely unvaccinated should ring some bells.
This COVID nonsense has really backfired on the vaccine industry. I trusted Public Health....never questioned the efficacy of vaccines. I didn't look carefully enough at the actual benefits. Nor did I read enough about the negative effects.
Now I know. Good luck getting me to vaccinate against anything ever again. I'll need solid evidence that the benefits will outweigh the risks.
This is what happens when governments lie to the people. The government has lost the confidence and trust of people like me.
I just assumed they were working in my best interests. Now I assume that they are lying. They're tricksters and weasels.
Yes they are, absolutely.
You didn’t give your age, but you probably got 3 to 11 shots. Feel free to go get yourself injected with the 70 - 80 shots kids today are given and then report back on how safe they are.
Truthfully my Grandfather went down into a coalmine at age 8. Only left to fight in WW1. Please do not make vaccines an excuse for not getting a job and supporting yourself. Have you studied the child mortality rates from the early to mid 1990s or prior. My niegbours were all holocaust survivors. Went through Hell. Came to the USA and worked. Even I don't know how they carried on. Dead children and dead families. Experimentation etc. My nephew told me he wants to work. Just has to be something he likes doing. 40 and supported by his widowed mother.
After the Nuremberg trials we had the Code and then the Helsinki Declaration and yet we're still fighting the tyrants.
The hell of it is that we have to keep making the same damned mistakes again and again.
I often question if human beings are the most intelligent species.
"something he likes doing" - How will he ever know what he likes unless he finds things out by tying? Hopefully his mom is wealthy enough to carry him after she passes. Seniors today are discovering near impossible to live on SS, particularly in a city.
My husband has COPD, age 80. We have friends in their 90s. All our elderly friends had the first Covid shot and 2 boosters. None died or had a negative reaction. I agree it should not have been mandated. I'm interested in the findings regarding the effects on young people. My children were pin cushions up until age 2. No negative reactions. However everyone is different. The reason it takes about 5 years to adequately test a drug prior to FDA approval. Everyone knew COVID was fast tracked and impossible for it to have been adequately tested. FdA approved it anyway. So blame them and our politicians. I was born in 1946. In the 50s we all received Polio vaccine. I don't know anyone who had Polio. When we immigrated to the USA in 1959 certain vaccines were mandatory for entrance. I'm curious about claims that certain vaccines cause autism etc. I believe the claim should be looked into. My daughter works for Abbott. She is the first to admitt no way was the COVID vaccine properly tested.
The thing with serious side effects to the COVID vaccine is that it is 1/500. Doesn't sound like a high percentage but it is when you mandate the shot. It means that a significant number of people will be seriously injured or killed from a vaccine that has very questionable benefits.
For every other medication that would be enough to have it taken off of the market. So people were killed because of political choices that were made.
As far as vaccines and autism goes, it it nearly impossible to definitively link a single vaccine to autism. I see patients in the clinic where I work. Some are taking about 15 different medications.
You're lucky if somebody discovers 2 medications that should not be taken together, let alone a dozen of them.
TBH, I'm OK with all of this when there is no coersion and not mandates for any vaccination/medication.
Some people aren't smart enough to figure these things out and that's the price you pay when you put your trust in the system.
I trusted the system because I didn't know how corrupt the system is. Yes, I was naiive and it disturbs me to know how gullible I was at my age. I have no excuse. Given enough time and effort I can figure out most scientific papers. But now that I know about the lies, I won't even give it a second look.
I assume that they are lying. That is perhaps too cynical of me and maybe it isn't even good for me but that's where I'm at. I assume that they are actively lying or at the very least, they are not revealing all that they know.
That's unforgivable.
Like you, I trusted those I pay to advise. Took two before there was data. Saw the data and rejected any more.
Yeah. Over seventy damn vaccinations. Regional Health sent my kids letters about their not up to date vaccinations.
Fortunately my children have escaped unscathed but I wonder about all of the autistic children these days. Are they over-diagnosing kids on the spectrum or are they damaging kids with all of the shit they're exposing them to at a young age?
Whatever the truth is, it is clear that North Americans are fatter and less fit than they were 50 years ago. We're medicated to the gills and vaccinated like crazy. Where's the upside for all of the money we've spent on improving heath for the general public? How many more decades will we be told that money for fighting cancer is well spent?
I've worked as a med tech for almost 50 years. I thinks people are less healthy now than they were when I started working. That's a sad commentary on modern day medicine.
I don't believe that vaccines destroy souls. Where they injure, they can make life more difficult, though. The basic will to live on the part of the younger generations is definitely diminishing.
I had the Salk vaccine. Live vaccine cultured on monkey kidney tissue contaminated with SIV, cytomegloviris and hepatitis deactivated with formaldehyde it definitely killed something inside me, a deep connection that I knew. Forever. Poor kids. I didn't let them vaccinate any of my kids ever.
The polio vaccine may have given rise to AIDS.
After the McNothing Burger that COVID turned out to be and all the lies we were told about the mRNA vaccine, I'll be hesitant to vaccinate myself again.....for anything. As a healthcare worker I should have been more diligent in the past when receiving vaccinations.....even the influenza vaccine. I had trust in the Public Health System. All of that trust is gone and maybe that's a good thing. My eyes have been opened.
Incidentally my husband owned a Gay Bar in the 1980s. We buried many friends. Some in early 20s. It was a very sad time. Fortunately medicine is available to allow a person to live a semi normal life.
Aids was and is a sexually transmitted disease. Women and children got it from bisexuality amongst men. Polio vaccine from early 50s. Aids in the 1980s.
AIDS is far more nuanced than this. There is HIV negative AIDS. There were AIDS like illnesses before the 80s. We've been sold on the idea that the HIV virus is the sole cause of AIDS. The more I read about AIDS the less convinced I am that HIV alone is the causative agent.
I remember my first AIDS patient. There are some parallels between AIDS and COVID and terrorism and just about anything that galvanizes the attention of most people, all governments and the MSM.
The enemy becomes the sole focus for society, whatever that enemy is identified to be. "THE" enemy becomes the overriding concern of everybody all of the time. The magnitude of the problem is amplified far beyond itself. And the people go for it like hungry fish biting on to a lure cleverly placed where we cannot ignore it.
Wow. Sounds terrible.
Thank you for your concern. Keep well.
In Illinois a child not allowed to go to school.without the state required vaccines.
Me and all my friends In England had the Polio vaccine. All in our late 70s and doing well. We all went to work out of HS.
Salk or Sabin?
I know that there was a problem with one shipment of vaccine. Not in England. However I read about serious issues.
Salk. First one. NhS had it early
You got lucky I was the yellow kid from the hepatitis. Terrible lifelong allergy to the formaldehyde. But the doctors had already really messed up my life pretty bad and I was pretty compromised. I personally suspect that the wasting blood herpes cytomegalovirus was responsible for so much chronic fatigue in my generation. I finally beat it with natural herbal cure.
I understood that there was a strain of Polio vaccine that was contaminated. Wasn't sent to England. No issues with what we were given. I'm sorry you suffered so much.
My son had hepatitis. Newborn I was breast feeding him. My blood type was different from his. The anti bodies from.my blood was killing him.
Agree. Please don't create another reason to "not work".
Especially when consideration "for whom does the treadmill spin?"
EXACTLY!
Thats all fine and good if they are willing to make a go at it on their own, leave the system and set up an alternative society, but this is whining and quitting.
Yes, society failed them, but do something about it. Playing video games in your basement and ignoring life because "it sucks" was never an option in human history.
You had to do something about it.
How did "society" fail them? I was born in England right after WW11. We had little to eat and played in bombed out bldg"s. Surely former generations were failed by society. Two class system and not allowed to move up, etc. Difference is we didn't have media telling us we had been "failed" ! Read Main Street.....by Sinclair. Obviously these kids had life too easy. Even in the 1950s kids delivered newspapers. Mowed lawns etc. Whatever went wrong happened after we became a two car, TV in every room and of course computer and games society.
I appreciate your question and I understand the validity of your perspective. My mother was born several years before you, recently deceased, and I get it.
The difference is this, modern children are not, in majority, in the US, given the options or the culture to succeed as you did.
The problem isn't that times are hard, they are in many ways too easy. What you went through breeds fortitude. What these kids are going through breeds entitlement.
And that is society's fault, if blame matters.
Parents fault. Baby Boomers wanted children to have a better life. We over did it. Letting a kid play video games for hours or days is not anything a responsible parent would have done. I have spent time with parents who allowed 1 hour down time after school. Then homework and chores. Kids ate turning out as individuals who will make their own way. These kids are of all ethnicities. They have educated parents. Bernie Sanders suggested parenting classes. I agree with that.
"Whatever went wrong..." -- I appreciate your view and experience, similar to my own, but need to point out that in many places in the US, delivering newspapers (which are essentially defunct) and mowing lawns, as well as other jobs that involve kids working outside the house can be dangerous. One of the "whatever went wrong" things is kidnapping, pedophilia and trafficking of children. A society that tolerates this is "what happened", and what is tolerated today would never have been when you and I were growing up.
Kids mowing lawns is dangerous now?
Those abuses have always existed.Are you aware that until 1965 Christians were taking Native children awsy from parents to breed the indian out of them. 3 out of every 10 died. . They were subjected to every kind of abuse. I was molested at age 6 by a stranger with a knife against my throat. We didn't have the media coverage. Clergy molesting children started centuries ago. We are careful today and for children born into decent families the abuse is less. The
Newborn babies sent home with drug addicted 14 year old mothers and those coming across our border unaccompanied are at great risk. Mowing lawns has been turned over to paid adults. In rural areas the kids still work in the fast food restaurants. Only in the cities have people taken them as a job for life. We can all pay our own children to perform chores. They can mow the lawn and trim the bushes. But we don't.
Post WW2 Britain was a tough time. I was born in the UK in 1956. The stories my dad told me (British Navy WW2) were interesting and his experiences shaped his tough mindset. Going through war can do that to people. I hate war but like the COVID experience it can bring out the best and worst in people.
My dad decided that as a working class dude in England, he'd be better off in the "colonies". It was Canada instead of New Zealand because flying back to see family was easier. It wasn't because Canada was so great. But at least here it was more about what you did than who your parents were.
Thank your Dad for me. He saved my family. Always grateful to the USA.
My Dad Royal Navy Submarine Division WW2. Yes, England a 2 class system people were expected to stay in the low class if born there. We immigrated to USA because my Mom loved American films. It was a mistake because we left behind a very large and loving family. Plus i was almost 13. Lost my very close friend's.
We started off a lot poorer in Canada than if we'd stayed in England. I liked my country but it's become a woke hell with a trust fund Prime Minister who has no connection with the real people of Canada. This is what happens when you elect elitists who have less than average intelligence and no knowledge of the real world and what it takes to survive when you don't have a rich family to bail you out.
Intelligence doesn't equal common sense.
Where did you come from in England. I was born at home. Dean Bank. FERRYHILL, County Durham. Industrial North.
Ipswich,Suffolk.
Very beautiful area. I would have missed it. My cousin immigrated to Canada then applied to come into the USA. Was given legal immigrant status. Late 1960s. 2 weeks after he arrived he was drafted and sent to Vietnam.
My dad was offered a good job in the US. He didn't take it. It was during the Viet Nam war. He told them, "I have a son". We stayed in Canada.
Two rules with the old man. Don't go into the military and you're not to own a motorcycle. He knew what I was like and he wanted to keep me alive. God bless you dad. You're in heaven now. I say that about everybody I loved. Who knows if it's true? Who cares? That's what you say.....it's sappy but it's all you can say when you love somebody and they pass.
You are talking about a time when people had a more aggressive, even defiant, attitude towards life. The problem now is that these people are demoralized. They see no solution, no way out except the "reset" button of death. They need guidance from us that will match their reality enough for them to pay attention to it.
I was born in a time when it was work or starve. No choice. When my grandfather went down a coalmine at age 8, his mother was glad to get his paypacket. We didn't consider choice. Knew we had none if we wanted to survive. My grandmother took in laundry and cleaned houses to feed her nine children. They ate pigeons. For Christmas we recieved nuts and oranges. Fruit a luxury after WW2 in England. Rationed..everything was for 10 years. No choices.
My grandad trapped rabbits to feed the family. My first wife had a brother who owned a pet rabbit. He paid about $300 for medication for this rabbit when it got sick. This was in the 80s. I laughed my ass off at the stupidity of spending $300 on a rabbit. That's just me thinking about my grandad feeding the family with trapped rabbits while this kid spends $300 to cure a fricking rabbit. I know. Perspective is everything.
It's like my dog. I love him but he's 14. I'm not going to spend thousands on a dog to keep him alive for another few months. I wouldn't do it for myself and fortunately I can make intelligent decisions for my old friend. I won't let him suffer so that I can have more time with him. That's just self-indulgent bullshit and I don't get it. Sure, I have enough money that I could spend 10 grand keeping my old dog alive but when you think about it in any rational way, that is insanity. It's selfish and it's cruel and people think that they are being kind. They are just being sentimental. Your dog doesn't even really know that he's a dog. You just project all of these human thoughts on to your dog. Of course we don't know what a dog really thinks but consider this. One minute he's biting you and a few seconds later he's licking you. He has no concept of the future....maybe some memory of the past. Don't make your dog suffer so that you aren't lonely and grieving. He'll be in dog heaven. God bless him.
Best news from the Vatican was when the Pope said dogs go to heaven. I'm not Catholic but I loved him for that.
Sometimes I think my dog will go to hell....he attacked a deer....just a baby...but he was bred to kill. He's a cross between a Yorkshire Terrier and a Jack Russell Terrier. That's a lot of terrier in an 18 pound package. Genetically modified dog. I love him but by human standards he's a nasty little bastard. I'll miss him terribly when he passes. We have a bet amongst my friends about who will die first, my dog or I. I didn't even want a damned dog. My wife and kids wanted a dog. Now he's my dog and he's my best friend.
I had a 5lb Yorke. Most vicious dog I have ever owned. She attacked a Husky while with my daughter. Husky won. In hospital a week. Stood in the window, they go to the floor, tubes sticking out from her, Husky walks by she barks and growls. Just wait until I get out of here. Of course raised in Scotland to attack the rats that went under the looms. My husband would say if that dog was any bigger she would be dangerous. I named her Tipperary. My Granda used to sing the song "Its a long way to Tipperary" Good memory.
There's something so admirable about the little sods. They're so cocky and fearless. Bentley is my first dog. I grew up in a 'cat' family.
When we first received Bentley (from a co-worker who had to leave him at home alone all day. making him unhappy) we didn't get along. He would bite me and I regret to say that I hit him.
I'm sorry Bentley. I didn't hit him hard. It didn't matter anyhow. He still bit me. I didn't know dogs. He sleeps with me now. When I get up, he gets up. If I go outside, he goes outside. He follows me everywhere. I take him everywhere with me. He doesn't bite me very often anymore except when he wants to steal the cat's food and I try to get him away from the bowl. Then he bites me. I don't hit him. I just call him a vicious bastard. He just doesn't get it. He's the boss and why don't I understand? I guess I do now. Respect.
Our friends have a Bernese Mountain/Poodle. Huge dog. Bentley attacked him. Bentley is not invited back. Now I understand the saying "a man's best friend is his dog".
I often wonder if Yorkies have zero idea about how small they are. They are David attacking Goliath. They must have heard the story. Tippy lived to be 17. Thank you your story was the most upbeat I have read all week.
LOL. I don't think dogs have a good idea about their size. My little dog will attack a large dog but he does seem to have an understanding about how dangerously aggressive the other dog is. He'll avoid a dog that is overtly aggressive.
So he's not completely oblivious to danger, apparently.
What's curious is that those people rose to the occasion when they were in a situation that was very physically challenging. But when modern people are emotionally challenged by what basically amounts to propaganda, they cave in. Except for some places, the physical stress is really not that bad. It seems that the mismatch between the emotional and the physical drives people crazy.
Yes. I see that too!
No cars. No TV sets. No phones. My Dad rode a bike to work. Same here in many places.
Yes, Cold War and Vietnam, no big deal. Oh and Korea. Its the media, 24/7 telling them every negative they can come up with. That and the cost of living in cities.
Ultimately I agree with you because ultimately you have to suck it up and overcome whatever life throws in front of you, but what about the world right now makes you think that anything that anybody did would change the system? (Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your post)
And ultimately any protest that these people did would be for MORE STUFF. I don't think that's the answer?
We are on the same page.
I really feel for this young generation, I have nieces and cousins in their teens, a son who is ten, and am trying very hard to understand what they are going through, what messaging they have been exposed to, and for those in their 20s and early 30s, they were really the test group, and I feel for them too, its awful what they have absorbed.
I grew up on a farm working my butt off. If you tried to make an excuse on that property, things would get ugly fast.
So, there is a canyon there between my experience and the experience of this young adult crowd.
I do not think the system is changeable outside of a mass awareness which I think is chemically blocked from ever happening, but you can live outside the system, not entirely, but with the right group of people, it is possible.
All I am saying is this young adult generation, rather than improve or remove themselves from society, basically just sits on it and enjoys what they enjoy about it and effs the rest.
And I think that was goal, to be honest. Call me crazy, but too many variables fell right into place to make this happen for me to believe it is random.
Whenever I consider that it ISN'T random I think about how incompetent governments and government agencies have always been. I think much of what is happening is a consequence of eusocial indoctrination....that is, convincing red-blooded boys to be passive and to shy away from their natural aggression and lust because they are told that it is "toxic masculinity".
As a 12 year old kid I was subjected to bullying but I think it ultimately made me a stronger person. I don't think bullying is in any way a good thing but I think it is also wrong to deny that there will be physical conflict between young men and part of growing up is dealing with people who pose a physical threat to you. You have to use your wits and your fists sometimes when things go very wrong. And in life things occasionally go very wrong. Insulating young people from this and pretending it doesn't exist and that it won't ever happen to them opens the door for psychopaths who will take advantage of the passive new world. There are plenty of people who still really don't give a damn who they hurt and they will prey upon the sheep.
My husband raised in an Italian area of Chicago. Blonde blue eyed kid. Same for him. Beaten on a regular basis til accepted. He grew up tough.
It's no joke being messed with when you're 12. I wouldn't wish it on anybody. I'm glad they've clamped down on bullying.
I learned to be fairly tough I guess but I didn't like it. Some guys I knew were beaten really badly. One kid lost an eye. That's just psychopaths getting away with criminal behaviour.
I found out that one of my abusers became a bouncer on the West Coast and some dude sliced his belly open with a knife.
Karma you bastard.
Often boys with that kind of anger have been abused at home. They continue into adulthood. Very sad. Yes Karma!
It's not random.
Well I was picking up my friends 12 year old from school. Jack declared upon entering my car that the world would end in his lifetime. Volcano,.huge things hurling against the earth,.etc. etc. Why scare our kids.
You got a point SC...
So Commander, do you have an explanation or a solution? Do we all need to just be resigned to our fate, or is there something we could do about all this? (I think there is.)
Personally I think the solution lies with seeking out like-minded folks and routing around the entire system when possible. Cooperative collaboration is the most powerful human force in the world -- we need to take advantage of it.
The 2,000 word version is here:
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/this-is-not-a-drill-part-2
I surround myself with like-minded folks. Unfortunately that means that I don't have many friends LOL.
That's OK. Now that I'm semi-retired I can be more choosey. I don't have to toady to asshole co-workers and bosses. And I've decided that I don't want to waste my energy befriending people who I don't share values with. COVID has left me with fewer friends and it has distanced me from some family members. That's actually a good thing. You learn who you can trust and who you want to spend time with.
Exactly. Why would I want to be friends with people who would have happily turned in Anne Frank?
Yeah, it's been a lonely road the past 4 years. COVID winnowed out the wheat from the chaff, and there is little in the wheat pile. Ostracized at my university (I'm a professor), my friends too afraid to venture out and live, I've become more introverted than ever. My kids and my sister are all on the same page, so I have that, at least. But a year ago I made a conscious decision to flee Baltimore City for a few acres in WV. It's hard as heck tending the land, building a garden, raising chickens for the first time but I'm learning. Here, I'm surrounded with like-minded folks, including farmers and hunters and those who don't like government's overreach. I'm exhausted but feel blessed. Peace...
Good on ya.
I have chosen the route of a loud insurgency that doesn't sound like an insurgency. It sounds so kooky that most of the "big guys" just laugh at it.
It's hard to say how much they really know about the reality of the situation. More than us, perhaps, but how much more? Maybe not that much more. The only real way through this situation is magic. And that translates in this universe to spiritual freedom.
The idea of creating a parallel system that conforms to a higher set of ethical and moral standards is not without merit. But who's going to set up an entire parallel factory to manufacture smart phones? Or cars? Most people I work with think that the only way to do this is to retake the corporate world (which these days includes governments). And you do that one person at a time by, basically, giving them the realization that there is an ethical way forward. So we have our own "cooperative collaboration" to accomplish this. After 26 years working directly on such projects, I currently sit on the fringes, retired and doing my own thing trying to get more intellectuals to question more of their basic assumptions and to go where "no man has gone before."
Bernie Sanders suggested Parenting classes in the inner cities. I believe that was a good idea.
I think parenting classes (but who will teach them and what will they teach?) are just as needed, if not more, in the suburbs and among the rich and famous. Why single out "inner cities?"
Because I have volunteered in Chicago. Single moms with 2 plus children. No Dad's and not a clue. I live in the suburbs. Our African American kids graduate high-school and often go to college. Rare in the inner city.
There are many efficient mothers too. But the kids have a peer group, eventually even good moms can't stop the kids from taking the wrong path.
Very insightful. You describe the problem very well. Now if we can just explain to this generation the solution. You see, they have been taught a self-centric communist view of reality. Karl Marx literally believed that if a rich person was feeding you dinner, you should kill him because no one that "stupid" should have money. Karl Marx could not understand generosity because a heart devoted to satan can’t understand good. Karl Marx was not an atheist. If you read all his writings, you find out that he very much believed in God - and he hated God because he couldn’t be God! This is why communism destroys everything, because it is literally satan – the absence of God. The solution is Jesus. Jesus shows us a life worth meaning is living a life outside of yourself. When people live out what Jesus taught, they discover that all their dreams come true, because when your dreams are aligned with true love – they can’t help but come true. Anyone of us with children know this is true. Anything and everything I have ever accomplished pales in comparison to seeing my children win and succeed. It literally is living proof. Need more to chew on? Read the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. It has also been made into a hit Hollywood movie.