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Margaret Frank's avatar

Vaccines have been administered since the early 1950s. Didn't prevent my generation from going to work and supporting ourselves.

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Shelley's avatar

There were only three if I remember correctly. The ramp-up didn't real start until the late 1980s when big pharma was given immunity from harms.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

My son born in 1972 was given so many vaccines he could have been a pin cushion. My daughter born in 1964 had several. The reason Big Pharma was given immunity is because they were going to stop making vaccines. Obviously our politicians stopped that. One must compare data with 3rd world countries, where vaccines are not available. Perhaps that would show positive or negative. Vaccines developed in the 60s no longer big money makers for pharma.

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Shelley's avatar

We don't need to use 3rd world data. We have a cohort in our country. It's called the Amish. Fed gov has been keeping stats for a couple of generation - won't share the findings, although some leaked out recently. It seems that many of the prevalent childhood chronic diseases are extremely rare in the Amish cohort. They cannot be compelled by the same laws as the rest of us.

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Andrew Rivett's avatar

The fact that there are so many healthy people completely unvaccinated should ring some bells.

This COVID nonsense has really backfired on the vaccine industry. I trusted Public Health....never questioned the efficacy of vaccines. I didn't look carefully enough at the actual benefits. Nor did I read enough about the negative effects.

Now I know. Good luck getting me to vaccinate against anything ever again. I'll need solid evidence that the benefits will outweigh the risks.

This is what happens when governments lie to the people. The government has lost the confidence and trust of people like me.

I just assumed they were working in my best interests. Now I assume that they are lying. They're tricksters and weasels.

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Shelley's avatar

Yes they are, absolutely.

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RU Pondering's avatar

You didnтАЩt give your age, but you probably got 3 to 11 shots. Feel free to go get yourself injected with the 70 - 80 shots kids today are given and then report back on how safe they are.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

Truthfully my Grandfather went down into a coalmine at age 8. Only left to fight in WW1. Please do not make vaccines an excuse for not getting a job and supporting yourself. Have you studied the child mortality rates from the early to mid 1990s or prior. My niegbours were all holocaust survivors. Went through Hell. Came to the USA and worked. Even I don't know how they carried on. Dead children and dead families. Experimentation etc. My nephew told me he wants to work. Just has to be something he likes doing. 40 and supported by his widowed mother.

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Andrew Rivett's avatar

After the Nuremberg trials we had the Code and then the Helsinki Declaration and yet we're still fighting the tyrants.

The hell of it is that we have to keep making the same damned mistakes again and again.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

I often question if human beings are the most intelligent species.

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HardeeHo's avatar

"something he likes doing" - How will he ever know what he likes unless he finds things out by tying? Hopefully his mom is wealthy enough to carry him after she passes. Seniors today are discovering near impossible to live on SS, particularly in a city.

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Margaret Frank's avatar

My husband has COPD, age 80. We have friends in their 90s. All our elderly friends had the first Covid shot and 2 boosters. None died or had a negative reaction. I agree it should not have been mandated. I'm interested in the findings regarding the effects on young people. My children were pin cushions up until age 2. No negative reactions. However everyone is different. The reason it takes about 5 years to adequately test a drug prior to FDA approval. Everyone knew COVID was fast tracked and impossible for it to have been adequately tested. FdA approved it anyway. So blame them and our politicians. I was born in 1946. In the 50s we all received Polio vaccine. I don't know anyone who had Polio. When we immigrated to the USA in 1959 certain vaccines were mandatory for entrance. I'm curious about claims that certain vaccines cause autism etc. I believe the claim should be looked into. My daughter works for Abbott. She is the first to admitt no way was the COVID vaccine properly tested.

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Andrew Rivett's avatar

The thing with serious side effects to the COVID vaccine is that it is 1/500. Doesn't sound like a high percentage but it is when you mandate the shot. It means that a significant number of people will be seriously injured or killed from a vaccine that has very questionable benefits.

For every other medication that would be enough to have it taken off of the market. So people were killed because of political choices that were made.

As far as vaccines and autism goes, it it nearly impossible to definitively link a single vaccine to autism. I see patients in the clinic where I work. Some are taking about 15 different medications.

You're lucky if somebody discovers 2 medications that should not be taken together, let alone a dozen of them.

TBH, I'm OK with all of this when there is no coersion and not mandates for any vaccination/medication.

Some people aren't smart enough to figure these things out and that's the price you pay when you put your trust in the system.

I trusted the system because I didn't know how corrupt the system is. Yes, I was naiive and it disturbs me to know how gullible I was at my age. I have no excuse. Given enough time and effort I can figure out most scientific papers. But now that I know about the lies, I won't even give it a second look.

I assume that they are lying. That is perhaps too cynical of me and maybe it isn't even good for me but that's where I'm at. I assume that they are actively lying or at the very least, they are not revealing all that they know.

That's unforgivable.

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HardeeHo's avatar

Like you, I trusted those I pay to advise. Took two before there was data. Saw the data and rejected any more.

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Andrew Rivett's avatar

Yeah. Over seventy damn vaccinations. Regional Health sent my kids letters about their not up to date vaccinations.

Fortunately my children have escaped unscathed but I wonder about all of the autistic children these days. Are they over-diagnosing kids on the spectrum or are they damaging kids with all of the shit they're exposing them to at a young age?

Whatever the truth is, it is clear that North Americans are fatter and less fit than they were 50 years ago. We're medicated to the gills and vaccinated like crazy. Where's the upside for all of the money we've spent on improving heath for the general public? How many more decades will we be told that money for fighting cancer is well spent?

I've worked as a med tech for almost 50 years. I thinks people are less healthy now than they were when I started working. That's a sad commentary on modern day medicine.

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