I know a couple families dealing with this (everyone probably does.) And I blame the parents because they let the young adults remain at home and don’t force them to become self-supporting. Young men used to aspire to marriage because marriage meant sex. To get married they needed to be employed- it was a big incentive to work. Everyone laughs at that now, except the young women who want marriage and can’t find a willing husband. We are in big trouble.
A young man used to have to marry to get sex. And he had to have a good job to get married. Now he needs neither marriage, nor job necessarily to have sex, but has otherwise lost interest in pursuing sex anyway.
There were always women available for a price. Goes back centuries. Plus now women can earn an equal wage. Takes the pressure of him. I believe a kind of depression is affecting many young men today.
Sadly the young men aren't even bothering with "at a price". Being told you are toxic can do that. OTOH, many young bucks never have learned how to try a pass at a lass of interest, accept a rejection or discover she is more than willing. They get groomed on porn and can't interpret any signals females sent to express interest. A lot of unsatisfied youth out there, I think.
I’m sure there are women like that. Unfortunately, I know many 20 and 30-something women who want marriage but can’t find a guy interested in more than sex. It’s not about money, they want a family.
My daughter married at 46. She earns 10x what he does. He had 3 small children she helped raise and put through college. I do see women marrying men who don't work. So, you could have a point. My parents would never have accepted that.
Many claim they are happy - and while that might be true for some - many are not happy at all. Dr Jordan Peterson has video on YouTube, where in great detail he describes the many counselling sessions he had with all the 30 something C-suite women who have "everything". The car, the title, the corner office and the Mercedes - but would give it all up for a child because they are disillusioned and empty. They are upset because communism sold them a lie that these things would give them meaning – when these things don’t. Has anyone noticed the extreme rise in the number of women attempting fertility treatments when they are older? Are we really going to deny and ignore this reality? If a woman wants to be a CEO of Pepsi, or the PM of Israel or Britain – good for her – I say go for it! But please, don’t lie to women. Tell them the truth. Tell them that the car and the fancy apartment and the title of CEO is very unlikely to give them meaning. Then if they chose the Mercedes, they won’t have anyone to blame because they were warned.
Quite a reflection on how corporations have affected so many women. We do need their voices particularly at the highest level but need to find ways for motherhood on the way.
My late wife was making more than I but she left that to join me. She found herself burned out by her job, a middle executive. She later got her Masters and became a special ed teacher. By the time I retired we had plenty enough but she kept working for quite some time. Seems money wasn't her motivation. OTOH, our net worth is quite enough.
The problem is that a large minority of these “adults” are choosing not to work or have a career, not to date, not to own many possessions and to not have a family. They want to earn the minimum amount possible to survive and then live life on the internet.
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I obviously can't speak to everybody who's in this situation, but when I decided to become a minimalist (way before it was cool, obviously), it was because I couldn't stand the thought of funding all of the immoral shit that government does with my tax money. At that time, it was war and funding censorship against the people who dared go against the narrative -- these days it's.........war and funding censorship against the people who dared go against the narrative. 😕
I empathize with the young people who see homes and a 'regular' life as out of reach -- their labor and savings is being drastically devalued every day and they know the game is rigged. How much of your energy should be put into making the treadmill spin?
My oldest son once said the more one achieves and accumulates the more effort is spent finding places to store and secure it while upping one's percentage of time worrying about what life would be like without these valuables.
He also believed in these Adrian Rogers statements:
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
• What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
• The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
I see nothing wrong with living a life with only theh possessions that one needs. Even though I own a good sized home with a swimming pool in the back yard and two cars I would probably own much less if I didn't have a wife and three teenaged children.
It is disconcerting to see so many young people languishing at home into their late twenties and thirties, content to drift along with a minimum of effort.
Young men who live like this seem to have been somehow neutered. They have no lust for life or adventure. They seek no challenges. They shy away from even healthy competition. They lack curiosity.
Absolutely- where have “all the real men gone”? Hard work and sweat equity doesn’t seem to exist anymore- for those that were raised in this fashion. Yes, this is definitely not for the younger generations, and I agree, government always takes their cut first! The term I’ve used, “my future’s so bright, I gotta wear shades”, doesn’t seem to apply much now!
That is the city life that they were born into and don't forget their souls were destroyed by how many vaccines? it's beyond my imagination... poor little kids. Now just like their Parents without backbones, wiped out by their vaccines and slippery secularism. You can see we're coming to the Cross Roads. Fret not thyself...
My son born in 1972 was given so many vaccines he could have been a pin cushion. My daughter born in 1964 had several. The reason Big Pharma was given immunity is because they were going to stop making vaccines. Obviously our politicians stopped that. One must compare data with 3rd world countries, where vaccines are not available. Perhaps that would show positive or negative. Vaccines developed in the 60s no longer big money makers for pharma.
We don't need to use 3rd world data. We have a cohort in our country. It's called the Amish. Fed gov has been keeping stats for a couple of generation - won't share the findings, although some leaked out recently. It seems that many of the prevalent childhood chronic diseases are extremely rare in the Amish cohort. They cannot be compelled by the same laws as the rest of us.
The fact that there are so many healthy people completely unvaccinated should ring some bells.
This COVID nonsense has really backfired on the vaccine industry. I trusted Public Health....never questioned the efficacy of vaccines. I didn't look carefully enough at the actual benefits. Nor did I read enough about the negative effects.
Now I know. Good luck getting me to vaccinate against anything ever again. I'll need solid evidence that the benefits will outweigh the risks.
This is what happens when governments lie to the people. The government has lost the confidence and trust of people like me.
I just assumed they were working in my best interests. Now I assume that they are lying. They're tricksters and weasels.
You didn’t give your age, but you probably got 3 to 11 shots. Feel free to go get yourself injected with the 70 - 80 shots kids today are given and then report back on how safe they are.
Truthfully my Grandfather went down into a coalmine at age 8. Only left to fight in WW1. Please do not make vaccines an excuse for not getting a job and supporting yourself. Have you studied the child mortality rates from the early to mid 1990s or prior. My niegbours were all holocaust survivors. Went through Hell. Came to the USA and worked. Even I don't know how they carried on. Dead children and dead families. Experimentation etc. My nephew told me he wants to work. Just has to be something he likes doing. 40 and supported by his widowed mother.
"something he likes doing" - How will he ever know what he likes unless he finds things out by tying? Hopefully his mom is wealthy enough to carry him after she passes. Seniors today are discovering near impossible to live on SS, particularly in a city.
My husband has COPD, age 80. We have friends in their 90s. All our elderly friends had the first Covid shot and 2 boosters. None died or had a negative reaction. I agree it should not have been mandated. I'm interested in the findings regarding the effects on young people. My children were pin cushions up until age 2. No negative reactions. However everyone is different. The reason it takes about 5 years to adequately test a drug prior to FDA approval. Everyone knew COVID was fast tracked and impossible for it to have been adequately tested. FdA approved it anyway. So blame them and our politicians. I was born in 1946. In the 50s we all received Polio vaccine. I don't know anyone who had Polio. When we immigrated to the USA in 1959 certain vaccines were mandatory for entrance. I'm curious about claims that certain vaccines cause autism etc. I believe the claim should be looked into. My daughter works for Abbott. She is the first to admitt no way was the COVID vaccine properly tested.
The thing with serious side effects to the COVID vaccine is that it is 1/500. Doesn't sound like a high percentage but it is when you mandate the shot. It means that a significant number of people will be seriously injured or killed from a vaccine that has very questionable benefits.
For every other medication that would be enough to have it taken off of the market. So people were killed because of political choices that were made.
As far as vaccines and autism goes, it it nearly impossible to definitively link a single vaccine to autism. I see patients in the clinic where I work. Some are taking about 15 different medications.
You're lucky if somebody discovers 2 medications that should not be taken together, let alone a dozen of them.
TBH, I'm OK with all of this when there is no coersion and not mandates for any vaccination/medication.
Some people aren't smart enough to figure these things out and that's the price you pay when you put your trust in the system.
I trusted the system because I didn't know how corrupt the system is. Yes, I was naiive and it disturbs me to know how gullible I was at my age. I have no excuse. Given enough time and effort I can figure out most scientific papers. But now that I know about the lies, I won't even give it a second look.
I assume that they are lying. That is perhaps too cynical of me and maybe it isn't even good for me but that's where I'm at. I assume that they are actively lying or at the very least, they are not revealing all that they know.
Yeah. Over seventy damn vaccinations. Regional Health sent my kids letters about their not up to date vaccinations.
Fortunately my children have escaped unscathed but I wonder about all of the autistic children these days. Are they over-diagnosing kids on the spectrum or are they damaging kids with all of the shit they're exposing them to at a young age?
Whatever the truth is, it is clear that North Americans are fatter and less fit than they were 50 years ago. We're medicated to the gills and vaccinated like crazy. Where's the upside for all of the money we've spent on improving heath for the general public? How many more decades will we be told that money for fighting cancer is well spent?
I've worked as a med tech for almost 50 years. I thinks people are less healthy now than they were when I started working. That's a sad commentary on modern day medicine.
I don't believe that vaccines destroy souls. Where they injure, they can make life more difficult, though. The basic will to live on the part of the younger generations is definitely diminishing.
I had the Salk vaccine. Live vaccine cultured on monkey kidney tissue contaminated with SIV, cytomegloviris and hepatitis deactivated with formaldehyde it definitely killed something inside me, a deep connection that I knew. Forever. Poor kids. I didn't let them vaccinate any of my kids ever.
After the McNothing Burger that COVID turned out to be and all the lies we were told about the mRNA vaccine, I'll be hesitant to vaccinate myself again.....for anything. As a healthcare worker I should have been more diligent in the past when receiving vaccinations.....even the influenza vaccine. I had trust in the Public Health System. All of that trust is gone and maybe that's a good thing. My eyes have been opened.
Incidentally my husband owned a Gay Bar in the 1980s. We buried many friends. Some in early 20s. It was a very sad time. Fortunately medicine is available to allow a person to live a semi normal life.
Aids was and is a sexually transmitted disease. Women and children got it from bisexuality amongst men. Polio vaccine from early 50s. Aids in the 1980s.
AIDS is far more nuanced than this. There is HIV negative AIDS. There were AIDS like illnesses before the 80s. We've been sold on the idea that the HIV virus is the sole cause of AIDS. The more I read about AIDS the less convinced I am that HIV alone is the causative agent.
I remember my first AIDS patient. There are some parallels between AIDS and COVID and terrorism and just about anything that galvanizes the attention of most people, all governments and the MSM.
The enemy becomes the sole focus for society, whatever that enemy is identified to be. "THE" enemy becomes the overriding concern of everybody all of the time. The magnitude of the problem is amplified far beyond itself. And the people go for it like hungry fish biting on to a lure cleverly placed where we cannot ignore it.
Thats all fine and good if they are willing to make a go at it on their own, leave the system and set up an alternative society, but this is whining and quitting.
Yes, society failed them, but do something about it. Playing video games in your basement and ignoring life because "it sucks" was never an option in human history.
How did "society" fail them? I was born in England right after WW11. We had little to eat and played in bombed out bldg"s. Surely former generations were failed by society. Two class system and not allowed to move up, etc. Difference is we didn't have media telling us we had been "failed" ! Read Main Street.....by Sinclair. Obviously these kids had life too easy. Even in the 1950s kids delivered newspapers. Mowed lawns etc. Whatever went wrong happened after we became a two car, TV in every room and of course computer and games society.
I appreciate your question and I understand the validity of your perspective. My mother was born several years before you, recently deceased, and I get it.
The difference is this, modern children are not, in majority, in the US, given the options or the culture to succeed as you did.
The problem isn't that times are hard, they are in many ways too easy. What you went through breeds fortitude. What these kids are going through breeds entitlement.
Parents fault. Baby Boomers wanted children to have a better life. We over did it. Letting a kid play video games for hours or days is not anything a responsible parent would have done. I have spent time with parents who allowed 1 hour down time after school. Then homework and chores. Kids ate turning out as individuals who will make their own way. These kids are of all ethnicities. They have educated parents. Bernie Sanders suggested parenting classes. I agree with that.
"Whatever went wrong..." -- I appreciate your view and experience, similar to my own, but need to point out that in many places in the US, delivering newspapers (which are essentially defunct) and mowing lawns, as well as other jobs that involve kids working outside the house can be dangerous. One of the "whatever went wrong" things is kidnapping, pedophilia and trafficking of children. A society that tolerates this is "what happened", and what is tolerated today would never have been when you and I were growing up.
Those abuses have always existed.Are you aware that until 1965 Christians were taking Native children awsy from parents to breed the indian out of them. 3 out of every 10 died. . They were subjected to every kind of abuse. I was molested at age 6 by a stranger with a knife against my throat. We didn't have the media coverage. Clergy molesting children started centuries ago. We are careful today and for children born into decent families the abuse is less. The
Newborn babies sent home with drug addicted 14 year old mothers and those coming across our border unaccompanied are at great risk. Mowing lawns has been turned over to paid adults. In rural areas the kids still work in the fast food restaurants. Only in the cities have people taken them as a job for life. We can all pay our own children to perform chores. They can mow the lawn and trim the bushes. But we don't.
Post WW2 Britain was a tough time. I was born in the UK in 1956. The stories my dad told me (British Navy WW2) were interesting and his experiences shaped his tough mindset. Going through war can do that to people. I hate war but like the COVID experience it can bring out the best and worst in people.
My dad decided that as a working class dude in England, he'd be better off in the "colonies". It was Canada instead of New Zealand because flying back to see family was easier. It wasn't because Canada was so great. But at least here it was more about what you did than who your parents were.
My Dad Royal Navy Submarine Division WW2. Yes, England a 2 class system people were expected to stay in the low class if born there. We immigrated to USA because my Mom loved American films. It was a mistake because we left behind a very large and loving family. Plus i was almost 13. Lost my very close friend's.
We started off a lot poorer in Canada than if we'd stayed in England. I liked my country but it's become a woke hell with a trust fund Prime Minister who has no connection with the real people of Canada. This is what happens when you elect elitists who have less than average intelligence and no knowledge of the real world and what it takes to survive when you don't have a rich family to bail you out.
You are talking about a time when people had a more aggressive, even defiant, attitude towards life. The problem now is that these people are demoralized. They see no solution, no way out except the "reset" button of death. They need guidance from us that will match their reality enough for them to pay attention to it.
I was born in a time when it was work or starve. No choice. When my grandfather went down a coalmine at age 8, his mother was glad to get his paypacket. We didn't consider choice. Knew we had none if we wanted to survive. My grandmother took in laundry and cleaned houses to feed her nine children. They ate pigeons. For Christmas we recieved nuts and oranges. Fruit a luxury after WW2 in England. Rationed..everything was for 10 years. No choices.
My grandad trapped rabbits to feed the family. My first wife had a brother who owned a pet rabbit. He paid about $300 for medication for this rabbit when it got sick. This was in the 80s. I laughed my ass off at the stupidity of spending $300 on a rabbit. That's just me thinking about my grandad feeding the family with trapped rabbits while this kid spends $300 to cure a fricking rabbit. I know. Perspective is everything.
It's like my dog. I love him but he's 14. I'm not going to spend thousands on a dog to keep him alive for another few months. I wouldn't do it for myself and fortunately I can make intelligent decisions for my old friend. I won't let him suffer so that I can have more time with him. That's just self-indulgent bullshit and I don't get it. Sure, I have enough money that I could spend 10 grand keeping my old dog alive but when you think about it in any rational way, that is insanity. It's selfish and it's cruel and people think that they are being kind. They are just being sentimental. Your dog doesn't even really know that he's a dog. You just project all of these human thoughts on to your dog. Of course we don't know what a dog really thinks but consider this. One minute he's biting you and a few seconds later he's licking you. He has no concept of the future....maybe some memory of the past. Don't make your dog suffer so that you aren't lonely and grieving. He'll be in dog heaven. God bless him.
Sometimes I think my dog will go to hell....he attacked a deer....just a baby...but he was bred to kill. He's a cross between a Yorkshire Terrier and a Jack Russell Terrier. That's a lot of terrier in an 18 pound package. Genetically modified dog. I love him but by human standards he's a nasty little bastard. I'll miss him terribly when he passes. We have a bet amongst my friends about who will die first, my dog or I. I didn't even want a damned dog. My wife and kids wanted a dog. Now he's my dog and he's my best friend.
What's curious is that those people rose to the occasion when they were in a situation that was very physically challenging. But when modern people are emotionally challenged by what basically amounts to propaganda, they cave in. Except for some places, the physical stress is really not that bad. It seems that the mismatch between the emotional and the physical drives people crazy.
Yes, Cold War and Vietnam, no big deal. Oh and Korea. Its the media, 24/7 telling them every negative they can come up with. That and the cost of living in cities.
Ultimately I agree with you because ultimately you have to suck it up and overcome whatever life throws in front of you, but what about the world right now makes you think that anything that anybody did would change the system? (Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your post)
And ultimately any protest that these people did would be for MORE STUFF. I don't think that's the answer?
I really feel for this young generation, I have nieces and cousins in their teens, a son who is ten, and am trying very hard to understand what they are going through, what messaging they have been exposed to, and for those in their 20s and early 30s, they were really the test group, and I feel for them too, its awful what they have absorbed.
I grew up on a farm working my butt off. If you tried to make an excuse on that property, things would get ugly fast.
So, there is a canyon there between my experience and the experience of this young adult crowd.
I do not think the system is changeable outside of a mass awareness which I think is chemically blocked from ever happening, but you can live outside the system, not entirely, but with the right group of people, it is possible.
All I am saying is this young adult generation, rather than improve or remove themselves from society, basically just sits on it and enjoys what they enjoy about it and effs the rest.
And I think that was goal, to be honest. Call me crazy, but too many variables fell right into place to make this happen for me to believe it is random.
Whenever I consider that it ISN'T random I think about how incompetent governments and government agencies have always been. I think much of what is happening is a consequence of eusocial indoctrination....that is, convincing red-blooded boys to be passive and to shy away from their natural aggression and lust because they are told that it is "toxic masculinity".
As a 12 year old kid I was subjected to bullying but I think it ultimately made me a stronger person. I don't think bullying is in any way a good thing but I think it is also wrong to deny that there will be physical conflict between young men and part of growing up is dealing with people who pose a physical threat to you. You have to use your wits and your fists sometimes when things go very wrong. And in life things occasionally go very wrong. Insulating young people from this and pretending it doesn't exist and that it won't ever happen to them opens the door for psychopaths who will take advantage of the passive new world. There are plenty of people who still really don't give a damn who they hurt and they will prey upon the sheep.
It's no joke being messed with when you're 12. I wouldn't wish it on anybody. I'm glad they've clamped down on bullying.
I learned to be fairly tough I guess but I didn't like it. Some guys I knew were beaten really badly. One kid lost an eye. That's just psychopaths getting away with criminal behaviour.
I found out that one of my abusers became a bouncer on the West Coast and some dude sliced his belly open with a knife.
Well I was picking up my friends 12 year old from school. Jack declared upon entering my car that the world would end in his lifetime. Volcano,.huge things hurling against the earth,.etc. etc. Why scare our kids.
So Commander, do you have an explanation or a solution? Do we all need to just be resigned to our fate, or is there something we could do about all this? (I think there is.)
Personally I think the solution lies with seeking out like-minded folks and routing around the entire system when possible. Cooperative collaboration is the most powerful human force in the world -- we need to take advantage of it.
I surround myself with like-minded folks. Unfortunately that means that I don't have many friends LOL.
That's OK. Now that I'm semi-retired I can be more choosey. I don't have to toady to asshole co-workers and bosses. And I've decided that I don't want to waste my energy befriending people who I don't share values with. COVID has left me with fewer friends and it has distanced me from some family members. That's actually a good thing. You learn who you can trust and who you want to spend time with.
Yeah, it's been a lonely road the past 4 years. COVID winnowed out the wheat from the chaff, and there is little in the wheat pile. Ostracized at my university (I'm a professor), my friends too afraid to venture out and live, I've become more introverted than ever. My kids and my sister are all on the same page, so I have that, at least. But a year ago I made a conscious decision to flee Baltimore City for a few acres in WV. It's hard as heck tending the land, building a garden, raising chickens for the first time but I'm learning. Here, I'm surrounded with like-minded folks, including farmers and hunters and those who don't like government's overreach. I'm exhausted but feel blessed. Peace...
I have chosen the route of a loud insurgency that doesn't sound like an insurgency. It sounds so kooky that most of the "big guys" just laugh at it.
It's hard to say how much they really know about the reality of the situation. More than us, perhaps, but how much more? Maybe not that much more. The only real way through this situation is magic. And that translates in this universe to spiritual freedom.
The idea of creating a parallel system that conforms to a higher set of ethical and moral standards is not without merit. But who's going to set up an entire parallel factory to manufacture smart phones? Or cars? Most people I work with think that the only way to do this is to retake the corporate world (which these days includes governments). And you do that one person at a time by, basically, giving them the realization that there is an ethical way forward. So we have our own "cooperative collaboration" to accomplish this. After 26 years working directly on such projects, I currently sit on the fringes, retired and doing my own thing trying to get more intellectuals to question more of their basic assumptions and to go where "no man has gone before."
I think parenting classes (but who will teach them and what will they teach?) are just as needed, if not more, in the suburbs and among the rich and famous. Why single out "inner cities?"
Because I have volunteered in Chicago. Single moms with 2 plus children. No Dad's and not a clue. I live in the suburbs. Our African American kids graduate high-school and often go to college. Rare in the inner city.
Very insightful. You describe the problem very well. Now if we can just explain to this generation the solution. You see, they have been taught a self-centric communist view of reality. Karl Marx literally believed that if a rich person was feeding you dinner, you should kill him because no one that "stupid" should have money. Karl Marx could not understand generosity because a heart devoted to satan can’t understand good. Karl Marx was not an atheist. If you read all his writings, you find out that he very much believed in God - and he hated God because he couldn’t be God! This is why communism destroys everything, because it is literally satan – the absence of God. The solution is Jesus. Jesus shows us a life worth meaning is living a life outside of yourself. When people live out what Jesus taught, they discover that all their dreams come true, because when your dreams are aligned with true love – they can’t help but come true. Anyone of us with children know this is true. Anything and everything I have ever accomplished pales in comparison to seeing my children win and succeed. It literally is living proof. Need more to chew on? Read the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. It has also been made into a hit Hollywood movie.
I believe young people worship themselves and reject anything that they perceive as making their lives difficult. And traditions are viewed as restrictive and making peoples lives difficult. Rejection of Traditionalism / traditions has been ongoing since the baby boomers made their break in the 60s. All traditions such as having children, getting married and staying faithful to 1 person, going to church every sunday, hard work, meritocracy, community involvement, family reunions, abortion should be frowned upon, etc are all gone and only clung to by a small minority of us. BUT, some places these traditions remain such as in India and a few pockets in the USA and other areas. Go to church, get married, have children in that order.
1) absolutely, this is a multigenerational social decay, could not have happened all ot once, hippies had babies and they were punks and their babies were grunge and extreme and now they are parents and think it is normal to go to Drag Queen reading hour with their children and even give them sterilizing hormones and undergo surgery to affirm their gender. Thats the trajectory.
2) still hanging onto a branch in the screaming insane river once known as California, but I have to hand it to the Mexicans and other Central/South Americans here, they aren't falling for this baloney, hard workers, family oriented and friendly like I remember humans used to be.
I am very interested in your opinions of the hippies at the time when you were left to be a parent on your own.
You do not hear that side too often do you? I don't. Its all about the greatness.
But it ripped the social structure of families apart and redefined relationships.
And did little to actually stop the war, if anything, it gave the antiwar movement an ugly face, an easy target.
Perhaps this is is myth, but somewhere I read Abbie Hoffman once said, "we had a real good anti war movement going on, we were doing things, and then all these hippies showed up. Where did they come from?"
Makes the Laurel Canyon conspiracy appear valid, imo.
Parents on drugs not a perfect environment for a child. Of course there were differences. Some couples better than others. However drugs and often sex were in 24/7 supply. I'm raised very conservative. Not my cuo of tea. I know for some Marijuana is at least psychologically addictive and can lead to other drugs. My husband was given his first marijuana cigarette by a Frat brother. He had lived a life of big expectations by his mom. He was often written up in his local paper as first in everything she pushed him to try. I think Marijuana was the first time he relaxed. Went on to LSD and eventually heroin. After the war ended he got his life together. Somewhat! Became a carpenter and remarried. Died at age 49 of throat cancer. He was a nice, decent kid. Our daughter is outstanding in her constant kindness to other people.
My take is that the phenomenon originates as two parts incessant war, one part iPhone and social media. Incessant wars send the ones with the traditional values off to be killed, usually for no good reason. Our country has been doing this since, well, forever. Who's left to reproduce? Now take the offspring and give them all an iPhone and social media. Not so much a mystery when distilled to the essence...jmo of course.
Pocket yes indeed. I see families at the grocery store, three and four kids in tow wither with mom or dad or both. Possibly a fallout from parents who focus on the children and not the family unit that works and plays together where everyone pitches in and gets a sense of self worth.
I completely agree. From my personal experience, my husband traveled for work, I worked in the community, worked with my speech impaired son and started a small business. We held family, routine, tradition high. I was the un fun Parent and no cell phones in high school or electronic games. Both sons high achieving scholars. Both workers outside home. Yet a skeptical outlook that the traditional method may not be worth effort. Dating is hard. Gaming is easy. They save for a home...each different towns, but really desire acres. They too fall into the minimalist. No TV, no stuff except gaming. At home we volunteered and churched. It’s like they prefer sleep.
My conclusion from my own college dating. I would never date someone who didn’t have a passion for life and working hard and enjoying the journey.
Therefore, I do think their choices are selfish and to me, boring and lonely. I cannot understand why.
I’ve run a small construction company for years so I deal with many young adults that are just out of high school. Some are construction management college students. I hired one about a month ago because he wanted to make some dough during the summer. For the past two weeks he has what they call ghosted the job. This means you disappear, no show no call. But then he calls me and wants to come back. My wife made a comment to not take him back to teach him a lesson. Why do I think this would be rewarding him? Last year a high school graduate spent 5 hours putting up 1 small trim board and still hadn’t finished. I asked him if he was going to finish out the day on the 10inch x 10inch trim board and he said he could do without the attitude. His younger brother worked a few weeks in the summer. He was on the phone so much that’s what I started calling him, phone. I really think we are in serious trouble with this future generation. I do see however with government caused inflation and the price to live independently it can be an overwhelming task. I think in many ways these burdens on the young are intentionally made so they will be dependent on government to survive. Government has created this generation and therefore we are also responsible. J.Goodrich
We might have to endure hard times to regain strength. At least in Canada we have weak leadership. Our government's answer to any problem is yet another tax funded bail out, Now that the productive people in Canada are having financial difficulties, the government has run out of ways to redistribute wealth because there is so much less to redistribute.
Our government has been promoting Canada for immigration but immigrants are now understanding that they may have left their country for another that has just as many problems. It isn't easy to get wealthy in Canada. The tax is high. The population is becoming more and more dependent upon government services and those services are poor value when weighed against the taxes levied. We're in trouble. Money goes where it goes furthest and that isn't in Canada.
We have to start by getting rid of this woke Liberal government that punishes the most productive businesses while rewarding mediocrity and incompetence.
As some have pointed out, it is more difficult now than it used to be for a young person to make it in the building trades, but the opportunities are still there for someone who is willing to work and learn. The societal changes have been going on for more than a half century. I remember working with men who had either run away or been thrown out of the house at the age of 12 or 13. Aside from being a noted 1841 essay, Self-Reliance does not seem to have much value or attraction anymore.
skptc, for nearly forty years I have taught people this trade. One of my biggest accomplishments you may think is putting a building or a house together, but it is first teaching someone to respect a customers property, and second is seeing a person move on and provide for themselves or their family. I’m sure you know the beauty of learning a trade is you will always be able to feed yourself or fall back on it if need be.
It's good to have more than one skill set. My brother was working out of Laborer's Local #270 on the Kaiser-Permanente cement plant construction in 1979 and I needed a job that summer. When he told them that he had an identical twin brother, I was hired. After several weeks I was asked to join the Carpenters' union and did so. A few weeks after joining Local #1408 my foreman walked up to me looking rather disgruntled and told me to drop my bags and follow him. He took me to the office trailer and walked away. It turned out that the secretary in the office trailer had not shown up for work that day and cost reports were due to go out. They knew I was in college so they asked me if I could type. I spent about a half hour with a huge IBM Selectric before going back out on the job.
Took typing in10th grade and paid off many times...particularly when in AF basic. Was stuck at Lackland AFB waiting orders on shutdown because of meningitis epidemic. Orderly room needed runner who could type. Was a lot better sitting in an office rather than endless marching, particularly as was recovering from case of walking ( marching) pneumonia. Yeah. Much better
I must have missed that you were in the Air Force. I have a nephew serving in the Air Force now. I spoke to him last night when I got Dr. Malones post about Biden’s Operation Atlantic Resolve. I put the news on and haven’t heard one word, nothing, on this since.
This problem didn't just start in the last few years. It has been increasing since the seventies. I have witnessed this phenonemum as a contractor who used daily labor supplied by employment firms. The guys would work for a couple - three days and not come back. Talking to them, they were only interested in enough money to "get by." But this whole situation plays into the WEF world model. Own nothing, no car, home, nothing; you vill be happy as Claus says. These people seem ready for the experience of thought control through implantation as proposed by Dr. Harari, and become some sort of robotic entity taken care of by their masters.
I had a crew in 2017 working on a barn for me. One Monday morning two of the crew did not show. The guy I contracted with said I pay them on Fridays and don't see them again until the money is gone.
On the other side, a more promising one, is the rise of the homeschooling movement, as well as the rise of homesteaders and gardeners. Lines seem to be drawn between those who will survive and those who may not.
Yes I agree. The squeaky wheel gets the attention - it's the other three that just quietly get the job done. History is a script that humans keep following. But God always keeps a remnant. And the remnant survives, unnoticed, in the noise.
This problem is real and molly-coddling is part and parcel, but an ugly aspect is overlooked: failed fledglings see diminishing prospects outside the nest, as well as moral dilemma. They see contemporaries working themselves to the bone for corrupt corporations laying waste to tradition. This should not be an insurmountable barrier, but neither should it be ignored
Pelosi commented some years back during O's admin (paraphrasing) that it will be a great new age when the young find they can dabble in projects they are interested in, try their hand at the different arts and so forth and not have to work for minimum wage.
John Adams said "Our sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history and naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry and porcelain.” there you go, his want has come true!
I know this is international but is regional within the countries? I have very productive kids ages 27-35. They have always been told they are excellent employees, they had jobs early, they pay their bills, work hard, and have all lived on their own since at least 21 if not younger. And this isn't just mine - all their friends are the same, getting or already married, having kids, working and starting businesses. And in my community (in the coastal South) I don't know any families like this. Kids are out fishing by themselves from early teens, boating, working, etc. I'm sure there are some here that I don't know of, obviously, but it's certainly not a noticeable number. I suspect these are kids of the progressive left parents...
Yes, I agree it can be regional - and yes, I believe that this is more of a problem in liberal communities and communities (as well as families) in general that coddle kids. That don't set high expectations. But no data here - just what I think I have observed.
I think kids are looking for a parental figure to show them that if you want something you have to earn it. I wanted this car really badly and asked my father to help me financially. He said you like that car, well you’ll have to get a job to pay for it. He co-signed a personal loan at a local bank for me. It was at the end of the Carter administration. 18% interest rate, 138--/month. I made every payment. It was a lesson I’ll never forget. Not long after that my father died, and honest to god one of the things I missed the most was lessons like that one that he taught me!!
It varies a lot in between regions (nations) in Europe. The problem doesn't seem to be socialism -- at least the sort practiced in the Nordic countries -- but safetyism (which we don't do so much) seems a candidate for further study. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/web/products-eurostat-news/-/edn-20210812-1
If article is correct, 30% of US think it is ok to break the law for the climate hokum. And judging from the news videos-esp Europe, these are mostly younger folks.
Where do you live? When I get the chance I'll be relocating from this woke hell called Canada to some place where things are approximately normal.
Yesterday my wife's 'friend' asked if I would give her grand daughter an IM injection. Turns out it's testosterone she is asking me to administer. Her grand daughter is soon to be rebranded as a grandson.
Oh my gosh... I have friends in Canada who sold their farm and moved to Mexico last year. Crazy. I'm in NC. We have 2 major woke cities and some suburbs of those, and a few college towns that lean left, but if you look at an election map you'll see that the vast majority is decidedly not down with woke. I'm at the coast in a rural/agricultural area with good public schools, amazingly (we homeschooled and my youngest is 27, but by all accounts they're good). Kids are polite, girls look like girls and boys look like boys, hunting and fishing are major activities, and boats fly Don't Tread on Me flags. It's great
Sounds like a good place to live. I've been looking at properties in South Carolina,, Tennessee and Missouri. Once the kids are all in post secondary, my wife and I can buy a place in the USA. I don't trust the government or the majority of the people up here anymore so I want to be able to live a lot of the time in a state that is conservative in as much as the people for the most part value their independence and freedoms.
That's not Canada anymore. People here want the government to do everything for them. They'll give up their freedoms and get little of value in return.
That's why we have so many people here from China. They want Communism without quite as many restrictions. That's pretty much Canada now. You're free as long as you agree with the government. Protest against the government and they'll cancel your access to your bank account......all for the "greater good" of course.
Effing right on, you two. Yes, this is the end of culture and society if we can not right this ship.
The radical departure from social norms in my lifetime is staggering, and I am just talking about autonomy, work ethic and an internal sense of integrity and dignity.
Entitlement, once reserved for the spoiled wealthy brat, has become a social contagion, and the ills of our history has become excuses to not participate.
Ingenious. In the way the money made from petro fuels is now actively trying to decarbonate the globe, the cruelty of our history is being used, not to enlighten and develop a better path, but to breed obstinence, entitlement and disassociate, and all this is being done in atmosphere of infantilization of the public, social trauma like plaques and wars and scary domestic terrorists, and uprooting the very basis of our human foundation and biology through indoctrination children into queer philosophy.
And the parents are all too in their camp, too tolerant and too uneducated and uniformed to understand what they are participating in also, their humanity evaporated in the distilling process that leaves behind only little cubes of tolerance, obedience, and virtue signaling.
No hero will rise from these ashes. There will be kids in the future who were raised on male "breast milk". Let that sink in.
If scientists and physicians cannot or will not insist upon certain truths such as the definition of a woman, the fact that men cannot be milked and that men do not menstruate then we are at risk of living in a world with no truths and no facts and words that don't define anything clearly.
When our Prime Minister was asked about how his family was benefitting from government contracted services he said, "Define family". I'm not kidding.
Interesting post. As mom to two young adults, I see much of what you describe but, fortunately, not in my own kids. Both are struggling to find real, meaningful work that they trained for. My son, a December graduate in computer systems from a very good public institution, cannot find a position in his field. After 4 months being strung along for his dream job at a three-letter-agency, he got the 'no, position filled'; this was his only bite out of dozens of applications. But he can't stand not working, so he is training to be a Prime delivery person. Not his ideal, but he wants to make money. My youngest, chronically ill for the past decade from tick-diseases, is a full-time college student who works 24-36 hours/week in a large day care.
Both kids strive to be independent, but to do so need experience and expertise in their chosen careers. It's hard out there to find full-time work with benefits, and harder still to find meaningful work. Sure, there are a lot of entitled young folks out there--I am a member of one of the most entitled cohorts ever--but the environment for work is not friendly, especially if you wish to not work for corrupt corporations. Have compassion for those kids who are trying. Peace...
Those computer jobs being off loaded to immigrants...mainly asians...who are provided visas for precisely that reason. This has been a problem in that field at least since the 80s.
For the last 5 years or so those brought in from India are being trained by American employees who are then fired. The libertarian Mike Lee in UT has been trying very hard to raise the quotas of certain works visa for the new computer firms coming to UT. Employers must be saving on more than just wage. Perhaps its payroll taxes, unemployment, etc.
If does take a certain kind of person to be an entrepreneur. It doesn't suit a lot of people but I agree that it is probably the most gratifying work if you can make a success of it. But it does take sacrifice, hard work and the understanding that the first years will probably be full of financial struggles.
I have a niece who tried and failed at setting up a chiropractic/nutritionist business. They just didn't have the entrepreneurial spirit and they kept spending money that they didn't have while building the business. Just a lack of common sense when it comes to money.
That's their endgame. They would just like to gain some 'real world' experience in their fields first, which sets you up better to start your own business. That said, my #1 just launched this today and already has two sales: https://www.etsy.com/shop/PreposterousShirts
In the early '80s I interviewed a candidate for an Engineer position with another department in the company I was with. He had graduated from Berkeley in the 70's with a degree in Aeronautical Engineering but as he was unable to find a job, joined SFPD and worked several years as a cop. He was a good hire and when I ran into him twenty years later, he had moved onward and upward.
I hope your son keeps his hand in with computers and now that he is in the "real world" he has a chance of seeing problems that need solving that are a match for his skills, either as an employee or an independent consultant.
Thank you for your kind words. There are folks who have hustle--and folks who do not. He can't stay idle, just like my father (and I'm definitely not a hammock and TV person, either). So important for our young people to understand nice things, a nice life, doesn't just show up--you need to make it. Feeling blessed my kids get that.
My son definitely keeps his hand in the field, and will keep applying and looking for a position that can provide him solid experience. Meanwhile, he does his side gigs--animating frames for a film (he developed a macro that allows him to do it with his computer), putting songs up on Spotify, and selling tee-shirts of his favorite bands on Etsy (launched today).
Best of luck to your son. Sounds like he won't stop until he succeeds. I have always tried to lead by example without saying too much but I do drive home the idea that it isn't so much how much money you make but rather what you can save. And if you don't have the money to buy something, don't buy it unless it is a necessary investment that will fuel future income. I don't know if they are listening LOL but they know that I don't shop. I don't buy stuff I don't need.
My parents lived through the Great Depression and WW2. I was condtioned to be frugal.
I am worried about my own 3 children as they get closer to post secondary choices. I would love to be able to afford to have them make their own free choices about what to study but they must choose a professional school or a trade school and it has to be something that looks like it will probably lead to future employment. If they want to do "Gender Studies" they can do it on their own dime. For taking this stand I have one out of the three who believes that I am one of the most ignorant men in the world. So be it. I might be on that spectrum LOL but I'm certainly not in the top 10%
That is of course a best guess but there are plenty of schools out there graduating students with the full knowledge that the jobs are currently NOT there at all. It's tougher these days than when I graduated. I had a choice of jobs in my chosen profession and I started work a week after I graduated. I stayed employed there for over 40 years. Now I'm in a clinic part-time after retiring with a decent pension. Never been out of work in over forty-six years. Not even for a week.
For that I take only partial credit. I've been lucky. But I also dreaded the idea of unemployment. I feel bad for graduates who can't get jobs after working hard in university with great expectations. It must be very disheartening.
All people need to recognize three things that are destroying us-
1) Online Pornography- horrible idea in the first place, creates a market for child sex trafficking, prostitution, and cartels, destroys the human soul and self esteem and is highly addictive to men and boys.
2) Video games, the internet itself along with social media are all also very addictive and damaging, especially to children.
It needs to be severely limited like white sugar!
3) Giving up teaching morality, honesty, compassion, courage, wonder and love for Creation through whatever means possible, the Classics, religion, spirituality, Mother Nature, has destroyed our children. We need meaning in our lives, challenges we can meet, social interactions and genuine love and support to grow up.
4) the mechanistic, selfish, consumer oriented, "necessarily violent," and random universe concepts of reality are all nonsense and soul killing.
We are witnessing the results of World Wars and the War Cultures defending their Nihilism.
Kids and adults all need meaning and higher things to value and strive for.
Destructive Governments coupled with Sociopathic Corporations have contaminated our world, physically, psychically, and spiritually. That does need healing.
And we must search for meaning once again to the Eternal Questions, and help our "lost kids" find their way there as well.
I suggest for the intellectuals among us the the book "Consciousness Beyond Life," by Dr. Pim von Lommel.
Near death experiences and and full blown "awakenings" are rapidly increasing. More and more people recognize that we are not just "machines" but beings with souls and a purpose, outside of the standard religious teaching environment.
All of Creation is Conscious. That's the answer to the mystery and machines won't get you there like your own innate capacities will. Or Life Itself.
So despite our idiocy with our technology, (think endless war, bio-weapons, 5G, EMR, and nuclear contamination,) there is still a lot of hope for humanity.
We just need to do much better by our kids- and FYI, not injecting them with a shitload of genetic and neuro toxic substances from birth would be one good place to start!
Yes, our children received trophies without any efforts and never learned how to accept or deal with being uncomfortable or accepting everyone has different gifts and abilities. Adversity and dealing with life which is unfair is what builds character muscles but parents intervene at the first tear and rob kids of learning how to navigate difficulties. Reminds me of Kipling’s “IF” which is applicable to young men and women https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46473/if---
My great aunt gave that poem to my older brother and it hung on his wall. I was 12 when I memorized the entire poem and can still quote 90% of it. Words of wisdom we all should carry with us and put to use.
What strikes me in this poem is taking risk, building a backbone and ignoring the naysayers. It requires mental fortitude. Not too long ago <18yo commanded ships, explored new territories, fought world wars…and today kids (& adults) are so fearful of man’s opinions. I didn’t realize the NEETs was a worldwide phenomenon, this is the real pandemic. We were raised with “with privilege comes responsibility “ and we all worked by age 11. I don’t think companies hire <16 here and the unions prevent young kids learning trades. Out East my nephew was doing construction at 13yo alongside his grandpa
Thank the gov for that, Fed and State. Under Obama many regulations were changed to get the effect we are seeing now. About a decade ago a family in WA was harvesting the crops in their fields with the help of their children so they could leave for vacation.
Some really nice person noticed the field work as it was happening. The State was informed and it made the family burn the entire harvest because the parents used their children who were too young to work by law.
During strawberry season I would get up before 5:00 am to truck my two boys ages 11 & 12 and their bikes to a nearby farm to pick strawberries. They would bike home in the daylight. Owners say young kids are the only ones that can do it without damaging the patches! They earned money for each crate they filled. That was when Carter was in office!
This is horrible; I didn’t realize it was so widespread internationally.
I see this more with progressive and liberal families in our suburban area. We live in a pretty wealthy area, and at one point, there were four families ON OUR STREET who had college educated, capable kids in their mid to late 20s living in their basements.
My own kids are in elementary, middle & graduating high school next year.
Thus far, they have had jobs as soon as they are able (13-14), are eager to drive the moment they are legal (unlike some of their peers !?!?), & say they want families one day. 🙏
My husband and I are trying our best not to coddle them by ensuring that they do their fair share of chores, by withholding mobile phones (& social media drivel) until they are in their middle teens, and actively engaging them in conversations about the controversial topics to which they exposed. We want to be sure to dialog about the other sides of the issues that they are not likely to hear at school regarding “climate change “, gender craziness, woke culture, etc.
Perhaps, most importantly, we are cognizant to show them how much we enjoy our life because we want them to consider something similar.
I want them to see how delightful it can be to be married to one person for a long time, hopefully have children, establish and cultivate a warm home environment, work hard, and enjoy each other and our community.
I know a couple families dealing with this (everyone probably does.) And I blame the parents because they let the young adults remain at home and don’t force them to become self-supporting. Young men used to aspire to marriage because marriage meant sex. To get married they needed to be employed- it was a big incentive to work. Everyone laughs at that now, except the young women who want marriage and can’t find a willing husband. We are in big trouble.
A young man used to have to marry to get sex. And he had to have a good job to get married. Now he needs neither marriage, nor job necessarily to have sex, but has otherwise lost interest in pursuing sex anyway.
There were always women available for a price. Goes back centuries. Plus now women can earn an equal wage. Takes the pressure of him. I believe a kind of depression is affecting many young men today.
Sadly the young men aren't even bothering with "at a price". Being told you are toxic can do that. OTOH, many young bucks never have learned how to try a pass at a lass of interest, accept a rejection or discover she is more than willing. They get groomed on porn and can't interpret any signals females sent to express interest. A lot of unsatisfied youth out there, I think.
Feminism turned into selling your butt on onlyfans, that is how bad it is.
Actually I meet many woman not interested in marriage. They earn more than most men and are happy.
I’m sure there are women like that. Unfortunately, I know many 20 and 30-something women who want marriage but can’t find a guy interested in more than sex. It’s not about money, they want a family.
My daughter married at 46. She earns 10x what he does. He had 3 small children she helped raise and put through college. I do see women marrying men who don't work. So, you could have a point. My parents would never have accepted that.
Many claim they are happy - and while that might be true for some - many are not happy at all. Dr Jordan Peterson has video on YouTube, where in great detail he describes the many counselling sessions he had with all the 30 something C-suite women who have "everything". The car, the title, the corner office and the Mercedes - but would give it all up for a child because they are disillusioned and empty. They are upset because communism sold them a lie that these things would give them meaning – when these things don’t. Has anyone noticed the extreme rise in the number of women attempting fertility treatments when they are older? Are we really going to deny and ignore this reality? If a woman wants to be a CEO of Pepsi, or the PM of Israel or Britain – good for her – I say go for it! But please, don’t lie to women. Tell them the truth. Tell them that the car and the fancy apartment and the title of CEO is very unlikely to give them meaning. Then if they chose the Mercedes, they won’t have anyone to blame because they were warned.
Quite a reflection on how corporations have affected so many women. We do need their voices particularly at the highest level but need to find ways for motherhood on the way.
My late wife was making more than I but she left that to join me. She found herself burned out by her job, a middle executive. She later got her Masters and became a special ed teacher. By the time I retired we had plenty enough but she kept working for quite some time. Seems money wasn't her motivation. OTOH, our net worth is quite enough.
The problem is that a large minority of these “adults” are choosing not to work or have a career, not to date, not to own many possessions and to not have a family. They want to earn the minimum amount possible to survive and then live life on the internet.
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I obviously can't speak to everybody who's in this situation, but when I decided to become a minimalist (way before it was cool, obviously), it was because I couldn't stand the thought of funding all of the immoral shit that government does with my tax money. At that time, it was war and funding censorship against the people who dared go against the narrative -- these days it's.........war and funding censorship against the people who dared go against the narrative. 😕
I empathize with the young people who see homes and a 'regular' life as out of reach -- their labor and savings is being drastically devalued every day and they know the game is rigged. How much of your energy should be put into making the treadmill spin?
My oldest son once said the more one achieves and accumulates the more effort is spent finding places to store and secure it while upping one's percentage of time worrying about what life would be like without these valuables.
He also believed in these Adrian Rogers statements:
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
• What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
• The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
I see nothing wrong with living a life with only theh possessions that one needs. Even though I own a good sized home with a swimming pool in the back yard and two cars I would probably own much less if I didn't have a wife and three teenaged children.
It is disconcerting to see so many young people languishing at home into their late twenties and thirties, content to drift along with a minimum of effort.
Young men who live like this seem to have been somehow neutered. They have no lust for life or adventure. They seek no challenges. They shy away from even healthy competition. They lack curiosity.
They have no balls.
Absolutely- where have “all the real men gone”? Hard work and sweat equity doesn’t seem to exist anymore- for those that were raised in this fashion. Yes, this is definitely not for the younger generations, and I agree, government always takes their cut first! The term I’ve used, “my future’s so bright, I gotta wear shades”, doesn’t seem to apply much now!
Yep. At its core government produces nothing, it only takes from the productive and re-allocates those resources based on political reasoning.
That is the city life that they were born into and don't forget their souls were destroyed by how many vaccines? it's beyond my imagination... poor little kids. Now just like their Parents without backbones, wiped out by their vaccines and slippery secularism. You can see we're coming to the Cross Roads. Fret not thyself...
Vaccines have been administered since the early 1950s. Didn't prevent my generation from going to work and supporting ourselves.
There were only three if I remember correctly. The ramp-up didn't real start until the late 1980s when big pharma was given immunity from harms.
My son born in 1972 was given so many vaccines he could have been a pin cushion. My daughter born in 1964 had several. The reason Big Pharma was given immunity is because they were going to stop making vaccines. Obviously our politicians stopped that. One must compare data with 3rd world countries, where vaccines are not available. Perhaps that would show positive or negative. Vaccines developed in the 60s no longer big money makers for pharma.
We don't need to use 3rd world data. We have a cohort in our country. It's called the Amish. Fed gov has been keeping stats for a couple of generation - won't share the findings, although some leaked out recently. It seems that many of the prevalent childhood chronic diseases are extremely rare in the Amish cohort. They cannot be compelled by the same laws as the rest of us.
The fact that there are so many healthy people completely unvaccinated should ring some bells.
This COVID nonsense has really backfired on the vaccine industry. I trusted Public Health....never questioned the efficacy of vaccines. I didn't look carefully enough at the actual benefits. Nor did I read enough about the negative effects.
Now I know. Good luck getting me to vaccinate against anything ever again. I'll need solid evidence that the benefits will outweigh the risks.
This is what happens when governments lie to the people. The government has lost the confidence and trust of people like me.
I just assumed they were working in my best interests. Now I assume that they are lying. They're tricksters and weasels.
You didn’t give your age, but you probably got 3 to 11 shots. Feel free to go get yourself injected with the 70 - 80 shots kids today are given and then report back on how safe they are.
Truthfully my Grandfather went down into a coalmine at age 8. Only left to fight in WW1. Please do not make vaccines an excuse for not getting a job and supporting yourself. Have you studied the child mortality rates from the early to mid 1990s or prior. My niegbours were all holocaust survivors. Went through Hell. Came to the USA and worked. Even I don't know how they carried on. Dead children and dead families. Experimentation etc. My nephew told me he wants to work. Just has to be something he likes doing. 40 and supported by his widowed mother.
After the Nuremberg trials we had the Code and then the Helsinki Declaration and yet we're still fighting the tyrants.
The hell of it is that we have to keep making the same damned mistakes again and again.
I often question if human beings are the most intelligent species.
"something he likes doing" - How will he ever know what he likes unless he finds things out by tying? Hopefully his mom is wealthy enough to carry him after she passes. Seniors today are discovering near impossible to live on SS, particularly in a city.
My husband has COPD, age 80. We have friends in their 90s. All our elderly friends had the first Covid shot and 2 boosters. None died or had a negative reaction. I agree it should not have been mandated. I'm interested in the findings regarding the effects on young people. My children were pin cushions up until age 2. No negative reactions. However everyone is different. The reason it takes about 5 years to adequately test a drug prior to FDA approval. Everyone knew COVID was fast tracked and impossible for it to have been adequately tested. FdA approved it anyway. So blame them and our politicians. I was born in 1946. In the 50s we all received Polio vaccine. I don't know anyone who had Polio. When we immigrated to the USA in 1959 certain vaccines were mandatory for entrance. I'm curious about claims that certain vaccines cause autism etc. I believe the claim should be looked into. My daughter works for Abbott. She is the first to admitt no way was the COVID vaccine properly tested.
The thing with serious side effects to the COVID vaccine is that it is 1/500. Doesn't sound like a high percentage but it is when you mandate the shot. It means that a significant number of people will be seriously injured or killed from a vaccine that has very questionable benefits.
For every other medication that would be enough to have it taken off of the market. So people were killed because of political choices that were made.
As far as vaccines and autism goes, it it nearly impossible to definitively link a single vaccine to autism. I see patients in the clinic where I work. Some are taking about 15 different medications.
You're lucky if somebody discovers 2 medications that should not be taken together, let alone a dozen of them.
TBH, I'm OK with all of this when there is no coersion and not mandates for any vaccination/medication.
Some people aren't smart enough to figure these things out and that's the price you pay when you put your trust in the system.
I trusted the system because I didn't know how corrupt the system is. Yes, I was naiive and it disturbs me to know how gullible I was at my age. I have no excuse. Given enough time and effort I can figure out most scientific papers. But now that I know about the lies, I won't even give it a second look.
I assume that they are lying. That is perhaps too cynical of me and maybe it isn't even good for me but that's where I'm at. I assume that they are actively lying or at the very least, they are not revealing all that they know.
That's unforgivable.
Like you, I trusted those I pay to advise. Took two before there was data. Saw the data and rejected any more.
Yeah. Over seventy damn vaccinations. Regional Health sent my kids letters about their not up to date vaccinations.
Fortunately my children have escaped unscathed but I wonder about all of the autistic children these days. Are they over-diagnosing kids on the spectrum or are they damaging kids with all of the shit they're exposing them to at a young age?
Whatever the truth is, it is clear that North Americans are fatter and less fit than they were 50 years ago. We're medicated to the gills and vaccinated like crazy. Where's the upside for all of the money we've spent on improving heath for the general public? How many more decades will we be told that money for fighting cancer is well spent?
I've worked as a med tech for almost 50 years. I thinks people are less healthy now than they were when I started working. That's a sad commentary on modern day medicine.
I don't believe that vaccines destroy souls. Where they injure, they can make life more difficult, though. The basic will to live on the part of the younger generations is definitely diminishing.
I had the Salk vaccine. Live vaccine cultured on monkey kidney tissue contaminated with SIV, cytomegloviris and hepatitis deactivated with formaldehyde it definitely killed something inside me, a deep connection that I knew. Forever. Poor kids. I didn't let them vaccinate any of my kids ever.
The polio vaccine may have given rise to AIDS.
After the McNothing Burger that COVID turned out to be and all the lies we were told about the mRNA vaccine, I'll be hesitant to vaccinate myself again.....for anything. As a healthcare worker I should have been more diligent in the past when receiving vaccinations.....even the influenza vaccine. I had trust in the Public Health System. All of that trust is gone and maybe that's a good thing. My eyes have been opened.
Incidentally my husband owned a Gay Bar in the 1980s. We buried many friends. Some in early 20s. It was a very sad time. Fortunately medicine is available to allow a person to live a semi normal life.
Aids was and is a sexually transmitted disease. Women and children got it from bisexuality amongst men. Polio vaccine from early 50s. Aids in the 1980s.
AIDS is far more nuanced than this. There is HIV negative AIDS. There were AIDS like illnesses before the 80s. We've been sold on the idea that the HIV virus is the sole cause of AIDS. The more I read about AIDS the less convinced I am that HIV alone is the causative agent.
I remember my first AIDS patient. There are some parallels between AIDS and COVID and terrorism and just about anything that galvanizes the attention of most people, all governments and the MSM.
The enemy becomes the sole focus for society, whatever that enemy is identified to be. "THE" enemy becomes the overriding concern of everybody all of the time. The magnitude of the problem is amplified far beyond itself. And the people go for it like hungry fish biting on to a lure cleverly placed where we cannot ignore it.
Wow. Sounds terrible.
Thank you for your concern. Keep well.
In Illinois a child not allowed to go to school.without the state required vaccines.
Me and all my friends In England had the Polio vaccine. All in our late 70s and doing well. We all went to work out of HS.
Salk or Sabin?
I know that there was a problem with one shipment of vaccine. Not in England. However I read about serious issues.
Salk. First one. NhS had it early
Agree. Please don't create another reason to "not work".
Especially when consideration "for whom does the treadmill spin?"
EXACTLY!
Thats all fine and good if they are willing to make a go at it on their own, leave the system and set up an alternative society, but this is whining and quitting.
Yes, society failed them, but do something about it. Playing video games in your basement and ignoring life because "it sucks" was never an option in human history.
You had to do something about it.
How did "society" fail them? I was born in England right after WW11. We had little to eat and played in bombed out bldg"s. Surely former generations were failed by society. Two class system and not allowed to move up, etc. Difference is we didn't have media telling us we had been "failed" ! Read Main Street.....by Sinclair. Obviously these kids had life too easy. Even in the 1950s kids delivered newspapers. Mowed lawns etc. Whatever went wrong happened after we became a two car, TV in every room and of course computer and games society.
I appreciate your question and I understand the validity of your perspective. My mother was born several years before you, recently deceased, and I get it.
The difference is this, modern children are not, in majority, in the US, given the options or the culture to succeed as you did.
The problem isn't that times are hard, they are in many ways too easy. What you went through breeds fortitude. What these kids are going through breeds entitlement.
And that is society's fault, if blame matters.
Parents fault. Baby Boomers wanted children to have a better life. We over did it. Letting a kid play video games for hours or days is not anything a responsible parent would have done. I have spent time with parents who allowed 1 hour down time after school. Then homework and chores. Kids ate turning out as individuals who will make their own way. These kids are of all ethnicities. They have educated parents. Bernie Sanders suggested parenting classes. I agree with that.
"Whatever went wrong..." -- I appreciate your view and experience, similar to my own, but need to point out that in many places in the US, delivering newspapers (which are essentially defunct) and mowing lawns, as well as other jobs that involve kids working outside the house can be dangerous. One of the "whatever went wrong" things is kidnapping, pedophilia and trafficking of children. A society that tolerates this is "what happened", and what is tolerated today would never have been when you and I were growing up.
Kids mowing lawns is dangerous now?
Those abuses have always existed.Are you aware that until 1965 Christians were taking Native children awsy from parents to breed the indian out of them. 3 out of every 10 died. . They were subjected to every kind of abuse. I was molested at age 6 by a stranger with a knife against my throat. We didn't have the media coverage. Clergy molesting children started centuries ago. We are careful today and for children born into decent families the abuse is less. The
Newborn babies sent home with drug addicted 14 year old mothers and those coming across our border unaccompanied are at great risk. Mowing lawns has been turned over to paid adults. In rural areas the kids still work in the fast food restaurants. Only in the cities have people taken them as a job for life. We can all pay our own children to perform chores. They can mow the lawn and trim the bushes. But we don't.
Post WW2 Britain was a tough time. I was born in the UK in 1956. The stories my dad told me (British Navy WW2) were interesting and his experiences shaped his tough mindset. Going through war can do that to people. I hate war but like the COVID experience it can bring out the best and worst in people.
My dad decided that as a working class dude in England, he'd be better off in the "colonies". It was Canada instead of New Zealand because flying back to see family was easier. It wasn't because Canada was so great. But at least here it was more about what you did than who your parents were.
Thank your Dad for me. He saved my family. Always grateful to the USA.
My Dad Royal Navy Submarine Division WW2. Yes, England a 2 class system people were expected to stay in the low class if born there. We immigrated to USA because my Mom loved American films. It was a mistake because we left behind a very large and loving family. Plus i was almost 13. Lost my very close friend's.
We started off a lot poorer in Canada than if we'd stayed in England. I liked my country but it's become a woke hell with a trust fund Prime Minister who has no connection with the real people of Canada. This is what happens when you elect elitists who have less than average intelligence and no knowledge of the real world and what it takes to survive when you don't have a rich family to bail you out.
Intelligence doesn't equal common sense.
Where did you come from in England. I was born at home. Dean Bank. FERRYHILL, County Durham. Industrial North.
You are talking about a time when people had a more aggressive, even defiant, attitude towards life. The problem now is that these people are demoralized. They see no solution, no way out except the "reset" button of death. They need guidance from us that will match their reality enough for them to pay attention to it.
I was born in a time when it was work or starve. No choice. When my grandfather went down a coalmine at age 8, his mother was glad to get his paypacket. We didn't consider choice. Knew we had none if we wanted to survive. My grandmother took in laundry and cleaned houses to feed her nine children. They ate pigeons. For Christmas we recieved nuts and oranges. Fruit a luxury after WW2 in England. Rationed..everything was for 10 years. No choices.
My grandad trapped rabbits to feed the family. My first wife had a brother who owned a pet rabbit. He paid about $300 for medication for this rabbit when it got sick. This was in the 80s. I laughed my ass off at the stupidity of spending $300 on a rabbit. That's just me thinking about my grandad feeding the family with trapped rabbits while this kid spends $300 to cure a fricking rabbit. I know. Perspective is everything.
It's like my dog. I love him but he's 14. I'm not going to spend thousands on a dog to keep him alive for another few months. I wouldn't do it for myself and fortunately I can make intelligent decisions for my old friend. I won't let him suffer so that I can have more time with him. That's just self-indulgent bullshit and I don't get it. Sure, I have enough money that I could spend 10 grand keeping my old dog alive but when you think about it in any rational way, that is insanity. It's selfish and it's cruel and people think that they are being kind. They are just being sentimental. Your dog doesn't even really know that he's a dog. You just project all of these human thoughts on to your dog. Of course we don't know what a dog really thinks but consider this. One minute he's biting you and a few seconds later he's licking you. He has no concept of the future....maybe some memory of the past. Don't make your dog suffer so that you aren't lonely and grieving. He'll be in dog heaven. God bless him.
Best news from the Vatican was when the Pope said dogs go to heaven. I'm not Catholic but I loved him for that.
Sometimes I think my dog will go to hell....he attacked a deer....just a baby...but he was bred to kill. He's a cross between a Yorkshire Terrier and a Jack Russell Terrier. That's a lot of terrier in an 18 pound package. Genetically modified dog. I love him but by human standards he's a nasty little bastard. I'll miss him terribly when he passes. We have a bet amongst my friends about who will die first, my dog or I. I didn't even want a damned dog. My wife and kids wanted a dog. Now he's my dog and he's my best friend.
What's curious is that those people rose to the occasion when they were in a situation that was very physically challenging. But when modern people are emotionally challenged by what basically amounts to propaganda, they cave in. Except for some places, the physical stress is really not that bad. It seems that the mismatch between the emotional and the physical drives people crazy.
Yes. I see that too!
No cars. No TV sets. No phones. My Dad rode a bike to work. Same here in many places.
Yes, Cold War and Vietnam, no big deal. Oh and Korea. Its the media, 24/7 telling them every negative they can come up with. That and the cost of living in cities.
Ultimately I agree with you because ultimately you have to suck it up and overcome whatever life throws in front of you, but what about the world right now makes you think that anything that anybody did would change the system? (Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your post)
And ultimately any protest that these people did would be for MORE STUFF. I don't think that's the answer?
We are on the same page.
I really feel for this young generation, I have nieces and cousins in their teens, a son who is ten, and am trying very hard to understand what they are going through, what messaging they have been exposed to, and for those in their 20s and early 30s, they were really the test group, and I feel for them too, its awful what they have absorbed.
I grew up on a farm working my butt off. If you tried to make an excuse on that property, things would get ugly fast.
So, there is a canyon there between my experience and the experience of this young adult crowd.
I do not think the system is changeable outside of a mass awareness which I think is chemically blocked from ever happening, but you can live outside the system, not entirely, but with the right group of people, it is possible.
All I am saying is this young adult generation, rather than improve or remove themselves from society, basically just sits on it and enjoys what they enjoy about it and effs the rest.
And I think that was goal, to be honest. Call me crazy, but too many variables fell right into place to make this happen for me to believe it is random.
Whenever I consider that it ISN'T random I think about how incompetent governments and government agencies have always been. I think much of what is happening is a consequence of eusocial indoctrination....that is, convincing red-blooded boys to be passive and to shy away from their natural aggression and lust because they are told that it is "toxic masculinity".
As a 12 year old kid I was subjected to bullying but I think it ultimately made me a stronger person. I don't think bullying is in any way a good thing but I think it is also wrong to deny that there will be physical conflict between young men and part of growing up is dealing with people who pose a physical threat to you. You have to use your wits and your fists sometimes when things go very wrong. And in life things occasionally go very wrong. Insulating young people from this and pretending it doesn't exist and that it won't ever happen to them opens the door for psychopaths who will take advantage of the passive new world. There are plenty of people who still really don't give a damn who they hurt and they will prey upon the sheep.
My husband raised in an Italian area of Chicago. Blonde blue eyed kid. Same for him. Beaten on a regular basis til accepted. He grew up tough.
It's no joke being messed with when you're 12. I wouldn't wish it on anybody. I'm glad they've clamped down on bullying.
I learned to be fairly tough I guess but I didn't like it. Some guys I knew were beaten really badly. One kid lost an eye. That's just psychopaths getting away with criminal behaviour.
I found out that one of my abusers became a bouncer on the West Coast and some dude sliced his belly open with a knife.
Karma you bastard.
It's not random.
Well I was picking up my friends 12 year old from school. Jack declared upon entering my car that the world would end in his lifetime. Volcano,.huge things hurling against the earth,.etc. etc. Why scare our kids.
You got a point SC...
So Commander, do you have an explanation or a solution? Do we all need to just be resigned to our fate, or is there something we could do about all this? (I think there is.)
Personally I think the solution lies with seeking out like-minded folks and routing around the entire system when possible. Cooperative collaboration is the most powerful human force in the world -- we need to take advantage of it.
The 2,000 word version is here:
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/this-is-not-a-drill-part-2
I surround myself with like-minded folks. Unfortunately that means that I don't have many friends LOL.
That's OK. Now that I'm semi-retired I can be more choosey. I don't have to toady to asshole co-workers and bosses. And I've decided that I don't want to waste my energy befriending people who I don't share values with. COVID has left me with fewer friends and it has distanced me from some family members. That's actually a good thing. You learn who you can trust and who you want to spend time with.
Exactly. Why would I want to be friends with people who would have happily turned in Anne Frank?
Yeah, it's been a lonely road the past 4 years. COVID winnowed out the wheat from the chaff, and there is little in the wheat pile. Ostracized at my university (I'm a professor), my friends too afraid to venture out and live, I've become more introverted than ever. My kids and my sister are all on the same page, so I have that, at least. But a year ago I made a conscious decision to flee Baltimore City for a few acres in WV. It's hard as heck tending the land, building a garden, raising chickens for the first time but I'm learning. Here, I'm surrounded with like-minded folks, including farmers and hunters and those who don't like government's overreach. I'm exhausted but feel blessed. Peace...
Good on ya.
I have chosen the route of a loud insurgency that doesn't sound like an insurgency. It sounds so kooky that most of the "big guys" just laugh at it.
It's hard to say how much they really know about the reality of the situation. More than us, perhaps, but how much more? Maybe not that much more. The only real way through this situation is magic. And that translates in this universe to spiritual freedom.
The idea of creating a parallel system that conforms to a higher set of ethical and moral standards is not without merit. But who's going to set up an entire parallel factory to manufacture smart phones? Or cars? Most people I work with think that the only way to do this is to retake the corporate world (which these days includes governments). And you do that one person at a time by, basically, giving them the realization that there is an ethical way forward. So we have our own "cooperative collaboration" to accomplish this. After 26 years working directly on such projects, I currently sit on the fringes, retired and doing my own thing trying to get more intellectuals to question more of their basic assumptions and to go where "no man has gone before."
Bernie Sanders suggested Parenting classes in the inner cities. I believe that was a good idea.
I think parenting classes (but who will teach them and what will they teach?) are just as needed, if not more, in the suburbs and among the rich and famous. Why single out "inner cities?"
Because I have volunteered in Chicago. Single moms with 2 plus children. No Dad's and not a clue. I live in the suburbs. Our African American kids graduate high-school and often go to college. Rare in the inner city.
There are many efficient mothers too. But the kids have a peer group, eventually even good moms can't stop the kids from taking the wrong path.
Very insightful. You describe the problem very well. Now if we can just explain to this generation the solution. You see, they have been taught a self-centric communist view of reality. Karl Marx literally believed that if a rich person was feeding you dinner, you should kill him because no one that "stupid" should have money. Karl Marx could not understand generosity because a heart devoted to satan can’t understand good. Karl Marx was not an atheist. If you read all his writings, you find out that he very much believed in God - and he hated God because he couldn’t be God! This is why communism destroys everything, because it is literally satan – the absence of God. The solution is Jesus. Jesus shows us a life worth meaning is living a life outside of yourself. When people live out what Jesus taught, they discover that all their dreams come true, because when your dreams are aligned with true love – they can’t help but come true. Anyone of us with children know this is true. Anything and everything I have ever accomplished pales in comparison to seeing my children win and succeed. It literally is living proof. Need more to chew on? Read the Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. It has also been made into a hit Hollywood movie.
I believe young people worship themselves and reject anything that they perceive as making their lives difficult. And traditions are viewed as restrictive and making peoples lives difficult. Rejection of Traditionalism / traditions has been ongoing since the baby boomers made their break in the 60s. All traditions such as having children, getting married and staying faithful to 1 person, going to church every sunday, hard work, meritocracy, community involvement, family reunions, abortion should be frowned upon, etc are all gone and only clung to by a small minority of us. BUT, some places these traditions remain such as in India and a few pockets in the USA and other areas. Go to church, get married, have children in that order.
1) absolutely, this is a multigenerational social decay, could not have happened all ot once, hippies had babies and they were punks and their babies were grunge and extreme and now they are parents and think it is normal to go to Drag Queen reading hour with their children and even give them sterilizing hormones and undergo surgery to affirm their gender. Thats the trajectory.
2) still hanging onto a branch in the screaming insane river once known as California, but I have to hand it to the Mexicans and other Central/South Americans here, they aren't falling for this baloney, hard workers, family oriented and friendly like I remember humans used to be.
Most hippies quit after Vietnam ended. Became employed and moved to the suburbs.
Because it was a social fad and not anything real outside of co-opting the anti-war movement.
All college kids or graduates. My husband dropped out of college to join the movement. I didn't do drugs so didn't fit in. Left to raise our daughter.
And there you go.
That is exactly what I am talking about.
I am very interested in your opinions of the hippies at the time when you were left to be a parent on your own.
You do not hear that side too often do you? I don't. Its all about the greatness.
But it ripped the social structure of families apart and redefined relationships.
And did little to actually stop the war, if anything, it gave the antiwar movement an ugly face, an easy target.
Perhaps this is is myth, but somewhere I read Abbie Hoffman once said, "we had a real good anti war movement going on, we were doing things, and then all these hippies showed up. Where did they come from?"
Makes the Laurel Canyon conspiracy appear valid, imo.
Parents on drugs not a perfect environment for a child. Of course there were differences. Some couples better than others. However drugs and often sex were in 24/7 supply. I'm raised very conservative. Not my cuo of tea. I know for some Marijuana is at least psychologically addictive and can lead to other drugs. My husband was given his first marijuana cigarette by a Frat brother. He had lived a life of big expectations by his mom. He was often written up in his local paper as first in everything she pushed him to try. I think Marijuana was the first time he relaxed. Went on to LSD and eventually heroin. After the war ended he got his life together. Somewhat! Became a carpenter and remarried. Died at age 49 of throat cancer. He was a nice, decent kid. Our daughter is outstanding in her constant kindness to other people.
Yes
My take is that the phenomenon originates as two parts incessant war, one part iPhone and social media. Incessant wars send the ones with the traditional values off to be killed, usually for no good reason. Our country has been doing this since, well, forever. Who's left to reproduce? Now take the offspring and give them all an iPhone and social media. Not so much a mystery when distilled to the essence...jmo of course.
Pocket yes indeed. I see families at the grocery store, three and four kids in tow wither with mom or dad or both. Possibly a fallout from parents who focus on the children and not the family unit that works and plays together where everyone pitches in and gets a sense of self worth.
I completely agree. From my personal experience, my husband traveled for work, I worked in the community, worked with my speech impaired son and started a small business. We held family, routine, tradition high. I was the un fun Parent and no cell phones in high school or electronic games. Both sons high achieving scholars. Both workers outside home. Yet a skeptical outlook that the traditional method may not be worth effort. Dating is hard. Gaming is easy. They save for a home...each different towns, but really desire acres. They too fall into the minimalist. No TV, no stuff except gaming. At home we volunteered and churched. It’s like they prefer sleep.
My conclusion from my own college dating. I would never date someone who didn’t have a passion for life and working hard and enjoying the journey.
Therefore, I do think their choices are selfish and to me, boring and lonely. I cannot understand why.
I’ve run a small construction company for years so I deal with many young adults that are just out of high school. Some are construction management college students. I hired one about a month ago because he wanted to make some dough during the summer. For the past two weeks he has what they call ghosted the job. This means you disappear, no show no call. But then he calls me and wants to come back. My wife made a comment to not take him back to teach him a lesson. Why do I think this would be rewarding him? Last year a high school graduate spent 5 hours putting up 1 small trim board and still hadn’t finished. I asked him if he was going to finish out the day on the 10inch x 10inch trim board and he said he could do without the attitude. His younger brother worked a few weeks in the summer. He was on the phone so much that’s what I started calling him, phone. I really think we are in serious trouble with this future generation. I do see however with government caused inflation and the price to live independently it can be an overwhelming task. I think in many ways these burdens on the young are intentionally made so they will be dependent on government to survive. Government has created this generation and therefore we are also responsible. J.Goodrich
We might have to endure hard times to regain strength. At least in Canada we have weak leadership. Our government's answer to any problem is yet another tax funded bail out, Now that the productive people in Canada are having financial difficulties, the government has run out of ways to redistribute wealth because there is so much less to redistribute.
Our government has been promoting Canada for immigration but immigrants are now understanding that they may have left their country for another that has just as many problems. It isn't easy to get wealthy in Canada. The tax is high. The population is becoming more and more dependent upon government services and those services are poor value when weighed against the taxes levied. We're in trouble. Money goes where it goes furthest and that isn't in Canada.
We have to start by getting rid of this woke Liberal government that punishes the most productive businesses while rewarding mediocrity and incompetence.
As some have pointed out, it is more difficult now than it used to be for a young person to make it in the building trades, but the opportunities are still there for someone who is willing to work and learn. The societal changes have been going on for more than a half century. I remember working with men who had either run away or been thrown out of the house at the age of 12 or 13. Aside from being a noted 1841 essay, Self-Reliance does not seem to have much value or attraction anymore.
skptc, for nearly forty years I have taught people this trade. One of my biggest accomplishments you may think is putting a building or a house together, but it is first teaching someone to respect a customers property, and second is seeing a person move on and provide for themselves or their family. I’m sure you know the beauty of learning a trade is you will always be able to feed yourself or fall back on it if need be.
It's good to have more than one skill set. My brother was working out of Laborer's Local #270 on the Kaiser-Permanente cement plant construction in 1979 and I needed a job that summer. When he told them that he had an identical twin brother, I was hired. After several weeks I was asked to join the Carpenters' union and did so. A few weeks after joining Local #1408 my foreman walked up to me looking rather disgruntled and told me to drop my bags and follow him. He took me to the office trailer and walked away. It turned out that the secretary in the office trailer had not shown up for work that day and cost reports were due to go out. They knew I was in college so they asked me if I could type. I spent about a half hour with a huge IBM Selectric before going back out on the job.
Took typing in10th grade and paid off many times...particularly when in AF basic. Was stuck at Lackland AFB waiting orders on shutdown because of meningitis epidemic. Orderly room needed runner who could type. Was a lot better sitting in an office rather than endless marching, particularly as was recovering from case of walking ( marching) pneumonia. Yeah. Much better
I must have missed that you were in the Air Force. I have a nephew serving in the Air Force now. I spoke to him last night when I got Dr. Malones post about Biden’s Operation Atlantic Resolve. I put the news on and haven’t heard one word, nothing, on this since.
Politico and n.y. Post mention it. Hope he comes thru o.k. what they are trying to do to our military.
True...
The work ethic these days is indeed bizarre in my opinion. If You name it, I have probably worked it…and; it wasn’t on a phone. 🏴☠️, Ed
Edit - I Love landscaping, construction, parachute rigging, sales, medicine, dog training, exercise…Get stuck in my mind for a day. 🏴☠️, Ed
This problem didn't just start in the last few years. It has been increasing since the seventies. I have witnessed this phenonemum as a contractor who used daily labor supplied by employment firms. The guys would work for a couple - three days and not come back. Talking to them, they were only interested in enough money to "get by." But this whole situation plays into the WEF world model. Own nothing, no car, home, nothing; you vill be happy as Claus says. These people seem ready for the experience of thought control through implantation as proposed by Dr. Harari, and become some sort of robotic entity taken care of by their masters.
I had a crew in 2017 working on a barn for me. One Monday morning two of the crew did not show. The guy I contracted with said I pay them on Fridays and don't see them again until the money is gone.
On the other side, a more promising one, is the rise of the homeschooling movement, as well as the rise of homesteaders and gardeners. Lines seem to be drawn between those who will survive and those who may not.
Yes I agree. The squeaky wheel gets the attention - it's the other three that just quietly get the job done. History is a script that humans keep following. But God always keeps a remnant. And the remnant survives, unnoticed, in the noise.
Beautifully said.
This problem is real and molly-coddling is part and parcel, but an ugly aspect is overlooked: failed fledglings see diminishing prospects outside the nest, as well as moral dilemma. They see contemporaries working themselves to the bone for corrupt corporations laying waste to tradition. This should not be an insurmountable barrier, but neither should it be ignored
Pelosi commented some years back during O's admin (paraphrasing) that it will be a great new age when the young find they can dabble in projects they are interested in, try their hand at the different arts and so forth and not have to work for minimum wage.
John Adams said "Our sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history and naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry and porcelain.” there you go, his want has come true!
I know this is international but is regional within the countries? I have very productive kids ages 27-35. They have always been told they are excellent employees, they had jobs early, they pay their bills, work hard, and have all lived on their own since at least 21 if not younger. And this isn't just mine - all their friends are the same, getting or already married, having kids, working and starting businesses. And in my community (in the coastal South) I don't know any families like this. Kids are out fishing by themselves from early teens, boating, working, etc. I'm sure there are some here that I don't know of, obviously, but it's certainly not a noticeable number. I suspect these are kids of the progressive left parents...
Yes, I agree it can be regional - and yes, I believe that this is more of a problem in liberal communities and communities (as well as families) in general that coddle kids. That don't set high expectations. But no data here - just what I think I have observed.
This is true. The coddling in Washington state, where I now live, is strange, to me.
Agreed. The best thing about today's job market is that the young people don't want to work -- and I'll at least show up! :)
I think kids are looking for a parental figure to show them that if you want something you have to earn it. I wanted this car really badly and asked my father to help me financially. He said you like that car, well you’ll have to get a job to pay for it. He co-signed a personal loan at a local bank for me. It was at the end of the Carter administration. 18% interest rate, 138--/month. I made every payment. It was a lesson I’ll never forget. Not long after that my father died, and honest to god one of the things I missed the most was lessons like that one that he taught me!!
It varies a lot in between regions (nations) in Europe. The problem doesn't seem to be socialism -- at least the sort practiced in the Nordic countries -- but safetyism (which we don't do so much) seems a candidate for further study. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/en/web/products-eurostat-news/-/edn-20210812-1
If article is correct, 30% of US think it is ok to break the law for the climate hokum. And judging from the news videos-esp Europe, these are mostly younger folks.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/30-americans-believe-breaking-law-over-climate-crisis-justified
We've filled up their heads with nonstop nonsense.
Yes, kids in the South, in general, work hard.
Where do you live? When I get the chance I'll be relocating from this woke hell called Canada to some place where things are approximately normal.
Yesterday my wife's 'friend' asked if I would give her grand daughter an IM injection. Turns out it's testosterone she is asking me to administer. Her grand daughter is soon to be rebranded as a grandson.
Just no.
Oh my gosh... I have friends in Canada who sold their farm and moved to Mexico last year. Crazy. I'm in NC. We have 2 major woke cities and some suburbs of those, and a few college towns that lean left, but if you look at an election map you'll see that the vast majority is decidedly not down with woke. I'm at the coast in a rural/agricultural area with good public schools, amazingly (we homeschooled and my youngest is 27, but by all accounts they're good). Kids are polite, girls look like girls and boys look like boys, hunting and fishing are major activities, and boats fly Don't Tread on Me flags. It's great
Sounds like a good place to live. I've been looking at properties in South Carolina,, Tennessee and Missouri. Once the kids are all in post secondary, my wife and I can buy a place in the USA. I don't trust the government or the majority of the people up here anymore so I want to be able to live a lot of the time in a state that is conservative in as much as the people for the most part value their independence and freedoms.
That's not Canada anymore. People here want the government to do everything for them. They'll give up their freedoms and get little of value in return.
That's why we have so many people here from China. They want Communism without quite as many restrictions. That's pretty much Canada now. You're free as long as you agree with the government. Protest against the government and they'll cancel your access to your bank account......all for the "greater good" of course.
Effing right on, you two. Yes, this is the end of culture and society if we can not right this ship.
The radical departure from social norms in my lifetime is staggering, and I am just talking about autonomy, work ethic and an internal sense of integrity and dignity.
Entitlement, once reserved for the spoiled wealthy brat, has become a social contagion, and the ills of our history has become excuses to not participate.
Ingenious. In the way the money made from petro fuels is now actively trying to decarbonate the globe, the cruelty of our history is being used, not to enlighten and develop a better path, but to breed obstinence, entitlement and disassociate, and all this is being done in atmosphere of infantilization of the public, social trauma like plaques and wars and scary domestic terrorists, and uprooting the very basis of our human foundation and biology through indoctrination children into queer philosophy.
And the parents are all too in their camp, too tolerant and too uneducated and uniformed to understand what they are participating in also, their humanity evaporated in the distilling process that leaves behind only little cubes of tolerance, obedience, and virtue signaling.
No hero will rise from these ashes. There will be kids in the future who were raised on male "breast milk". Let that sink in.
One is not "allowed" to call it "breast milk"!
"It is Chest milk" - you know, from "chest feeding"...
(I kid you not)...
We need Al Bundy back. This has gone too far.
If scientists and physicians cannot or will not insist upon certain truths such as the definition of a woman, the fact that men cannot be milked and that men do not menstruate then we are at risk of living in a world with no truths and no facts and words that don't define anything clearly.
When our Prime Minister was asked about how his family was benefitting from government contracted services he said, "Define family". I'm not kidding.
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Absolutely! Just ask the CDC. They have guidelines and “best practices” for such things. Look it up.
Duct tape over mouth. I’ll just say, I do not comprehend some of the insanity (Kid Rock language left out). 🏴☠️, Ed
Interesting post. As mom to two young adults, I see much of what you describe but, fortunately, not in my own kids. Both are struggling to find real, meaningful work that they trained for. My son, a December graduate in computer systems from a very good public institution, cannot find a position in his field. After 4 months being strung along for his dream job at a three-letter-agency, he got the 'no, position filled'; this was his only bite out of dozens of applications. But he can't stand not working, so he is training to be a Prime delivery person. Not his ideal, but he wants to make money. My youngest, chronically ill for the past decade from tick-diseases, is a full-time college student who works 24-36 hours/week in a large day care.
Both kids strive to be independent, but to do so need experience and expertise in their chosen careers. It's hard out there to find full-time work with benefits, and harder still to find meaningful work. Sure, there are a lot of entitled young folks out there--I am a member of one of the most entitled cohorts ever--but the environment for work is not friendly, especially if you wish to not work for corrupt corporations. Have compassion for those kids who are trying. Peace...
Those computer jobs being off loaded to immigrants...mainly asians...who are provided visas for precisely that reason. This has been a problem in that field at least since the 80s.
For the last 5 years or so those brought in from India are being trained by American employees who are then fired. The libertarian Mike Lee in UT has been trying very hard to raise the quotas of certain works visa for the new computer firms coming to UT. Employers must be saving on more than just wage. Perhaps its payroll taxes, unemployment, etc.
And the tech bubble burst at google, FB, etc has not helped.
The answer some would give your kids is: Become self-employed. Start your own business.
This requires a great amount of hustle. I don't think many of any generation are up to it.
If does take a certain kind of person to be an entrepreneur. It doesn't suit a lot of people but I agree that it is probably the most gratifying work if you can make a success of it. But it does take sacrifice, hard work and the understanding that the first years will probably be full of financial struggles.
I have a niece who tried and failed at setting up a chiropractic/nutritionist business. They just didn't have the entrepreneurial spirit and they kept spending money that they didn't have while building the business. Just a lack of common sense when it comes to money.
That's their endgame. They would just like to gain some 'real world' experience in their fields first, which sets you up better to start your own business. That said, my #1 just launched this today and already has two sales: https://www.etsy.com/shop/PreposterousShirts
Great news!
In the early '80s I interviewed a candidate for an Engineer position with another department in the company I was with. He had graduated from Berkeley in the 70's with a degree in Aeronautical Engineering but as he was unable to find a job, joined SFPD and worked several years as a cop. He was a good hire and when I ran into him twenty years later, he had moved onward and upward.
I hope your son keeps his hand in with computers and now that he is in the "real world" he has a chance of seeing problems that need solving that are a match for his skills, either as an employee or an independent consultant.
Thank you for your kind words. There are folks who have hustle--and folks who do not. He can't stay idle, just like my father (and I'm definitely not a hammock and TV person, either). So important for our young people to understand nice things, a nice life, doesn't just show up--you need to make it. Feeling blessed my kids get that.
My son definitely keeps his hand in the field, and will keep applying and looking for a position that can provide him solid experience. Meanwhile, he does his side gigs--animating frames for a film (he developed a macro that allows him to do it with his computer), putting songs up on Spotify, and selling tee-shirts of his favorite bands on Etsy (launched today).
Best of luck to your son. Sounds like he won't stop until he succeeds. I have always tried to lead by example without saying too much but I do drive home the idea that it isn't so much how much money you make but rather what you can save. And if you don't have the money to buy something, don't buy it unless it is a necessary investment that will fuel future income. I don't know if they are listening LOL but they know that I don't shop. I don't buy stuff I don't need.
My parents lived through the Great Depression and WW2. I was condtioned to be frugal.
I am worried about my own 3 children as they get closer to post secondary choices. I would love to be able to afford to have them make their own free choices about what to study but they must choose a professional school or a trade school and it has to be something that looks like it will probably lead to future employment. If they want to do "Gender Studies" they can do it on their own dime. For taking this stand I have one out of the three who believes that I am one of the most ignorant men in the world. So be it. I might be on that spectrum LOL but I'm certainly not in the top 10%
That is of course a best guess but there are plenty of schools out there graduating students with the full knowledge that the jobs are currently NOT there at all. It's tougher these days than when I graduated. I had a choice of jobs in my chosen profession and I started work a week after I graduated. I stayed employed there for over 40 years. Now I'm in a clinic part-time after retiring with a decent pension. Never been out of work in over forty-six years. Not even for a week.
For that I take only partial credit. I've been lucky. But I also dreaded the idea of unemployment. I feel bad for graduates who can't get jobs after working hard in university with great expectations. It must be very disheartening.
All people need to recognize three things that are destroying us-
1) Online Pornography- horrible idea in the first place, creates a market for child sex trafficking, prostitution, and cartels, destroys the human soul and self esteem and is highly addictive to men and boys.
2) Video games, the internet itself along with social media are all also very addictive and damaging, especially to children.
It needs to be severely limited like white sugar!
3) Giving up teaching morality, honesty, compassion, courage, wonder and love for Creation through whatever means possible, the Classics, religion, spirituality, Mother Nature, has destroyed our children. We need meaning in our lives, challenges we can meet, social interactions and genuine love and support to grow up.
4) the mechanistic, selfish, consumer oriented, "necessarily violent," and random universe concepts of reality are all nonsense and soul killing.
We are witnessing the results of World Wars and the War Cultures defending their Nihilism.
Kids and adults all need meaning and higher things to value and strive for.
Destructive Governments coupled with Sociopathic Corporations have contaminated our world, physically, psychically, and spiritually. That does need healing.
And we must search for meaning once again to the Eternal Questions, and help our "lost kids" find their way there as well.
I suggest for the intellectuals among us the the book "Consciousness Beyond Life," by Dr. Pim von Lommel.
Near death experiences and and full blown "awakenings" are rapidly increasing. More and more people recognize that we are not just "machines" but beings with souls and a purpose, outside of the standard religious teaching environment.
All of Creation is Conscious. That's the answer to the mystery and machines won't get you there like your own innate capacities will. Or Life Itself.
So despite our idiocy with our technology, (think endless war, bio-weapons, 5G, EMR, and nuclear contamination,) there is still a lot of hope for humanity.
We just need to do much better by our kids- and FYI, not injecting them with a shitload of genetic and neuro toxic substances from birth would be one good place to start!
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So spot on Dr Malone. I knew this was happening here. Was not aware it’s the same problem in different countries.
Yes, our children received trophies without any efforts and never learned how to accept or deal with being uncomfortable or accepting everyone has different gifts and abilities. Adversity and dealing with life which is unfair is what builds character muscles but parents intervene at the first tear and rob kids of learning how to navigate difficulties. Reminds me of Kipling’s “IF” which is applicable to young men and women https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46473/if---
My great aunt gave that poem to my older brother and it hung on his wall. I was 12 when I memorized the entire poem and can still quote 90% of it. Words of wisdom we all should carry with us and put to use.
What strikes me in this poem is taking risk, building a backbone and ignoring the naysayers. It requires mental fortitude. Not too long ago <18yo commanded ships, explored new territories, fought world wars…and today kids (& adults) are so fearful of man’s opinions. I didn’t realize the NEETs was a worldwide phenomenon, this is the real pandemic. We were raised with “with privilege comes responsibility “ and we all worked by age 11. I don’t think companies hire <16 here and the unions prevent young kids learning trades. Out East my nephew was doing construction at 13yo alongside his grandpa
Thank the gov for that, Fed and State. Under Obama many regulations were changed to get the effect we are seeing now. About a decade ago a family in WA was harvesting the crops in their fields with the help of their children so they could leave for vacation.
Some really nice person noticed the field work as it was happening. The State was informed and it made the family burn the entire harvest because the parents used their children who were too young to work by law.
During strawberry season I would get up before 5:00 am to truck my two boys ages 11 & 12 and their bikes to a nearby farm to pick strawberries. They would bike home in the daylight. Owners say young kids are the only ones that can do it without damaging the patches! They earned money for each crate they filled. That was when Carter was in office!
Aptitude is virtually a dead word
Jesse Jackson quote “students must know it is not their aptitude but their attitude that will determine their altitude.”
He also said “Never look down on anybody unless you’re helping him up.” I remember it was 1996 when I heard those two quotes.
These days, "aptitude" means your are naturally proficient at using an app.
**shudder**
This is horrible; I didn’t realize it was so widespread internationally.
I see this more with progressive and liberal families in our suburban area. We live in a pretty wealthy area, and at one point, there were four families ON OUR STREET who had college educated, capable kids in their mid to late 20s living in their basements.
My own kids are in elementary, middle & graduating high school next year.
Thus far, they have had jobs as soon as they are able (13-14), are eager to drive the moment they are legal (unlike some of their peers !?!?), & say they want families one day. 🙏
My husband and I are trying our best not to coddle them by ensuring that they do their fair share of chores, by withholding mobile phones (& social media drivel) until they are in their middle teens, and actively engaging them in conversations about the controversial topics to which they exposed. We want to be sure to dialog about the other sides of the issues that they are not likely to hear at school regarding “climate change “, gender craziness, woke culture, etc.
Perhaps, most importantly, we are cognizant to show them how much we enjoy our life because we want them to consider something similar.
I want them to see how delightful it can be to be married to one person for a long time, hopefully have children, establish and cultivate a warm home environment, work hard, and enjoy each other and our community.
*standing ovation*
Well, well said!