You must be fun at parties, and I bet your students love you. (Why do you assume that you are the only university professor in this conversation? I note that your unnecessarily boasting of being such much earlier in our conversation is rather amusing considering your later denigration of "authoritative sources".)
You must be fun at parties, and I bet your students love you. (Why do you assume that you are the only university professor in this conversation? I note that your unnecessarily boasting of being such much earlier in our conversation is rather amusing considering your later denigration of "authoritative sources".)
You obviously didn't look up the citation (and the correct spelling is "cited," not "sited"), but apparently you don't think citing sources is relevant to support an argument unless those sources are "repeatable experiments," yadda yadda. You write: "Duesberg, before daring to disagree, had a very successful set of research projects that were well-respected." (Yeah, his work for the Special Virus Cancer Program was ... stellar.) First of all, you can't substantiate that mundane claim (according to your own argument) because you haven't presented PROOF of that claim (or anything else you have claimed about Duesberg) in the form of "repeatable experiments". It doesn't fulfil "Howie's Postulates". lol.
And then you turn 180 degrees and make "wild conjectures" about Horowitz "clearly" having "an agenda other than truth" MERELY because he agrees with RFK Jr on some things but not others. (Hey, Howie! Isn't that just like you writing that you "agree with much of Horowitz's conjectures" but not all, before you declare him suspect?) Hoist with your own petard. Vel caeco appareat.
I've got other students waiting. You can have the last word, Professor.
One final nail in the HIV coffin, besides Jon Rappoport, showing Horowitz barking up a tree that doesn't exist. The author of the linked narrative - shows that HIV/AIDS and C19 use the same type claims - even though, clinically, both "diseases" were handled nearly identically, both by the Main$tream Media and the political forces driving the main player, Dr Fraudxxi, both in the 1980s and 2020-23 to the present :
A critical thinker, using the scientific method to analyze Duesberg's book will see that Duesberg demolishes any suggestion by anyone that HIV was/is a real, pathogenic, virus, much less that Duesberg "believed" HIV was a unique pathogen that caused AIDS victims.
The stories that people like Horowitz create do not change reality.
In order for HIV to be a bio-weapon created in a lab, it must first pass one test: HIV - AS A PATHOGEN - MUST UNIQUELY EXIST.
I paraphrase below, as I don't have a photographic memory good enough to actually quote, exactly:
Dr John Kapoor and some of his staff members, in about 1989, told me, "If HIV does actually exist, it is a harmless virus, but proof of its harmlessness is that you need to detect it in a "victim's" body with "anti-body" tests of their blood and, if their body's population of HIV is always that sparse, then it can't be pathogenic." (HIV, then and now, were not able to be isolated. Easy to look up.)
Both Duesberg and Kapoor said words like, "it's not a coincidence that most victims are druggies!" Referring to homosexuals, druggies that shared needles, etc.
Recreational drugs can be, as medical knowledge has shown, terribly damaging to the immune system.
Assuming Horowitz is telling what he believes to be "truth", then Horowitz, at best, places most of his "faith" in the "authoritative statements" of people he believes are "honest." But faith and belief are not elements of the scientific method: testable (falsifiable) hypotheses, irrefutable data, are. And for pathogens, Dr Malone can set people straight -- especially for the need to isolate, uniquely, the pathgen and use some form of Koch's postulates to verify.
Bottom line: In order to prove that an HIV "virus" was actually engineered in a biolab, you need a UNIQUE HIV VIRUS that actually, uniquely, causes AIDS. Inasmuch as HIV has never been isolated, just like C19, such that one can cause AIDS in test subjects, anyone who claims they did - should stand up to allow suitably blinded tests to demonstrate.
You must be fun at parties, and I bet your students love you. (Why do you assume that you are the only university professor in this conversation? I note that your unnecessarily boasting of being such much earlier in our conversation is rather amusing considering your later denigration of "authoritative sources".)
You obviously didn't look up the citation (and the correct spelling is "cited," not "sited"), but apparently you don't think citing sources is relevant to support an argument unless those sources are "repeatable experiments," yadda yadda. You write: "Duesberg, before daring to disagree, had a very successful set of research projects that were well-respected." (Yeah, his work for the Special Virus Cancer Program was ... stellar.) First of all, you can't substantiate that mundane claim (according to your own argument) because you haven't presented PROOF of that claim (or anything else you have claimed about Duesberg) in the form of "repeatable experiments". It doesn't fulfil "Howie's Postulates". lol.
And then you turn 180 degrees and make "wild conjectures" about Horowitz "clearly" having "an agenda other than truth" MERELY because he agrees with RFK Jr on some things but not others. (Hey, Howie! Isn't that just like you writing that you "agree with much of Horowitz's conjectures" but not all, before you declare him suspect?) Hoist with your own petard. Vel caeco appareat.
I've got other students waiting. You can have the last word, Professor.
One final nail in the HIV coffin, besides Jon Rappoport, showing Horowitz barking up a tree that doesn't exist. The author of the linked narrative - shows that HIV/AIDS and C19 use the same type claims - even though, clinically, both "diseases" were handled nearly identically, both by the Main$tream Media and the political forces driving the main player, Dr Fraudxxi, both in the 1980s and 2020-23 to the present :
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2023/07/09/new-book-reveals-uncensored-history-aids.aspx?ui=5c2fb3be5e5dbd403d2ab87653e82f9a94862f15028c7cc80292f49f546e10c4&sd=20211228&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20230709&mid=DM1430329&rid=1851070274
Sorry, moonspinner, but you are totally, 100%, wrong.
Duesberg's book, "AIDS : the good news is HIV Doesn't Cause It. The Bad News is "Recreational Drugs" and Medical Treatments Like AZT do",
was published a year before Horowitz' book, in 1995: https://archive.org/details/aids00pete/page/n6/mode/1up
A critical thinker, using the scientific method to analyze Duesberg's book will see that Duesberg demolishes any suggestion by anyone that HIV was/is a real, pathogenic, virus, much less that Duesberg "believed" HIV was a unique pathogen that caused AIDS victims.
The stories that people like Horowitz create do not change reality.
In order for HIV to be a bio-weapon created in a lab, it must first pass one test: HIV - AS A PATHOGEN - MUST UNIQUELY EXIST.
I paraphrase below, as I don't have a photographic memory good enough to actually quote, exactly:
Dr John Kapoor and some of his staff members, in about 1989, told me, "If HIV does actually exist, it is a harmless virus, but proof of its harmlessness is that you need to detect it in a "victim's" body with "anti-body" tests of their blood and, if their body's population of HIV is always that sparse, then it can't be pathogenic." (HIV, then and now, were not able to be isolated. Easy to look up.)
Both Duesberg and Kapoor said words like, "it's not a coincidence that most victims are druggies!" Referring to homosexuals, druggies that shared needles, etc.
Recreational drugs can be, as medical knowledge has shown, terribly damaging to the immune system.
Assuming Horowitz is telling what he believes to be "truth", then Horowitz, at best, places most of his "faith" in the "authoritative statements" of people he believes are "honest." But faith and belief are not elements of the scientific method: testable (falsifiable) hypotheses, irrefutable data, are. And for pathogens, Dr Malone can set people straight -- especially for the need to isolate, uniquely, the pathgen and use some form of Koch's postulates to verify.
Bottom line: In order to prove that an HIV "virus" was actually engineered in a biolab, you need a UNIQUE HIV VIRUS that actually, uniquely, causes AIDS. Inasmuch as HIV has never been isolated, just like C19, such that one can cause AIDS in test subjects, anyone who claims they did - should stand up to allow suitably blinded tests to demonstrate.