Any model that doesn’t include the effects from the massive Hunga Tonga volcanic eruption in January 2022 is bogus. That eruption was the largest volcanic eruption in this century and spewed millions of tons of ash and water vapor. Such a huge amount of water vapor - which holds heat - leads to measurable warming in the atmosphere.
Any model that doesn’t include the effects from the massive Hunga Tonga volcanic eruption in January 2022 is bogus. That eruption was the largest volcanic eruption in this century and spewed millions of tons of ash and water vapor. Such a huge amount of water vapor - which holds heat - leads to measurable warming in the atmosphere.
Yup. After that, it gets complicated. Some massive eruptions in history have lead to so much ash circulating, in the right amounts at the right altitudes for the right length of time, that the net effect was a few years of global cooling - a miniature ‘ice age’ because of too much of the sun’s warmth being blocked. Other times, the effect can be a bit of global warming. The exact calculations depend on the computer algorithm being used, plus the quality and quantity of the data inputted (‘garbage in, garbage out’). You could probably spend hours on the internet sifting through conclusions from models. But in any case, there was an EFFECT, and that should be considered in any climate-change paper.
Yes, ALL of the NOAA climate change predictions are based on COMPUTER MODELS and are subject to "GIGO" - "Garbage In Garbage Out".
NEVER forget in was the United Nations apparatchiks ( beginning in 1970) that conjured up the ENTIRE global COOLING, global WARMING, "Man-made"- and then just plain CLIMATE CHANGE that covers all the bases in the UN FRAUD -
which as WRITTEN in their own premise was NEVER about the environment and was POLITICAL from the get-go.
NO doubt that so-called "geo-engineering" has been afoot (globally) - which is by definition man-made, but by GOVERNMENTS....more precisely by the UN and collaborating nations to CREATE panic among ignorant humanity to herd them into the safety of ONE-WORLD Government (and) create a PERPETUAL CARBON TAX on every human being from birth to death (because of their carbon FOOTPRINT -
with some carbon footprints causing more "pollution" than others.
A truly EVIL scam to cause BILLIONS of dollars (or whatever form of money is in vogue) into the UN coffers to fund un-elected parasites.
The reality is, if there was NO carbon dioxide (CO-2), there would be NO animal life on planet earth, and NO OXYGEN, NO plants, grasses, flowers or trees. Earth is a CARBON BASED PLANET - and "We" are carbon based animals who breathe IN air (oxygen and nitrogen) and EXHALE CO-2 from Birth to Death. Further, humans expel 2.14 grahams of CO-2 per hour, 2.3 LB per day and 250 - 350 kilograms per year.
NOTE: to all "depopulation fanatics" you can all help mother earth by eliminating YOURSELVES!
Exactly. Their CO2 lowering plan is a recipe for world wide famine and starvation. For the globalists it seems they see this as more of a feature than a bug.
Ideally we would have more CO2, not less. As CO2 increases, plants will thrive and multiply in number hoovering up the extra CO2 and in turn providing us O2 breathers with more of the O2 we need. Win - win
I like to challenge the tree huggers to name one end of the world prediction since they started making them in the 70s that has come to pass. It's odd that they never seem to have an answer.
But, you know how those leftys tend to be: never in doubt, but rarely correct.
Venus’ surface is 100% rock without the modeling confounds of our oceans.
The surface has 100% cloud cover (thus is not subject to Richard Lindzen of MIT’s “Infared Iris” effects. Again, no Earth-like confounds.
The upper atmosphere zooms at 1000 mph. The modelers don’t Know why and can’t reproduce the Venusian atmospheric conditions.
If they can do simple, I have zero confidence they can do complex…. the Gubmint sure will pay for it.
Oh yeah, regarding volcanic discharges: the 40,000 mile mid-ocean ridges are volcanically active and are churning out stuff continuously- how to measure and model these contributions?
And the moral of the story is that ANY geoengineering attempt will produce unforeseen, and likely undesirable, effects! There are too many variables and too many unknowns to mathematically model, so the calculations will be off-target.
Very pleased this was the first comment. Ever since the initial speculation(s) about its effects (largest volcanic eruption since Krakatoa, 150 years ago), despite the record amount of water vapor and particulate/sulfur compounds, the literature has been strangely quiet, as if this was a non-event. The WaPo article this morning and this rehash mention the stratosphere is the dry layer above the clouds in question - well, the stratosphere just received an injection of an additional 10% water AND sulfur and particulates. Guess not that important /s
And this WaPo article is apparently being widely reprinted in different newspapers; it was in the local Minneapolis Star Tribune today. I scanned it to see if there was any mention of Hunga Tonga, rolled my eyes, and moved on. Whadya think. - a political AGENDA?
Any model that doesn’t include the effects from the massive Hunga Tonga volcanic eruption in January 2022 is bogus. That eruption was the largest volcanic eruption in this century and spewed millions of tons of ash and water vapor. Such a huge amount of water vapor - which holds heat - leads to measurable warming in the atmosphere.
The eruption added an additional 10% extra water vapor into the atmosphere overnight.
Yup. After that, it gets complicated. Some massive eruptions in history have lead to so much ash circulating, in the right amounts at the right altitudes for the right length of time, that the net effect was a few years of global cooling - a miniature ‘ice age’ because of too much of the sun’s warmth being blocked. Other times, the effect can be a bit of global warming. The exact calculations depend on the computer algorithm being used, plus the quality and quantity of the data inputted (‘garbage in, garbage out’). You could probably spend hours on the internet sifting through conclusions from models. But in any case, there was an EFFECT, and that should be considered in any climate-change paper.
Yes, ALL of the NOAA climate change predictions are based on COMPUTER MODELS and are subject to "GIGO" - "Garbage In Garbage Out".
NEVER forget in was the United Nations apparatchiks ( beginning in 1970) that conjured up the ENTIRE global COOLING, global WARMING, "Man-made"- and then just plain CLIMATE CHANGE that covers all the bases in the UN FRAUD -
which as WRITTEN in their own premise was NEVER about the environment and was POLITICAL from the get-go.
NO doubt that so-called "geo-engineering" has been afoot (globally) - which is by definition man-made, but by GOVERNMENTS....more precisely by the UN and collaborating nations to CREATE panic among ignorant humanity to herd them into the safety of ONE-WORLD Government (and) create a PERPETUAL CARBON TAX on every human being from birth to death (because of their carbon FOOTPRINT -
with some carbon footprints causing more "pollution" than others.
A truly EVIL scam to cause BILLIONS of dollars (or whatever form of money is in vogue) into the UN coffers to fund un-elected parasites.
The reality is, if there was NO carbon dioxide (CO-2), there would be NO animal life on planet earth, and NO OXYGEN, NO plants, grasses, flowers or trees. Earth is a CARBON BASED PLANET - and "We" are carbon based animals who breathe IN air (oxygen and nitrogen) and EXHALE CO-2 from Birth to Death. Further, humans expel 2.14 grahams of CO-2 per hour, 2.3 LB per day and 250 - 350 kilograms per year.
NOTE: to all "depopulation fanatics" you can all help mother earth by eliminating YOURSELVES!
Exactly. Their CO2 lowering plan is a recipe for world wide famine and starvation. For the globalists it seems they see this as more of a feature than a bug.
Ideally we would have more CO2, not less. As CO2 increases, plants will thrive and multiply in number hoovering up the extra CO2 and in turn providing us O2 breathers with more of the O2 we need. Win - win
I like to challenge the tree huggers to name one end of the world prediction since they started making them in the 70s that has come to pass. It's odd that they never seem to have an answer.
But, you know how those leftys tend to be: never in doubt, but rarely correct.
From one 'old guy' to another, the liberal/progressive/Socialist/Communist mind-set is intractable. Hopeless and incurable.
Al Gore said there would not be polar ice by 2013. 🙄🤨
Any retractions on that lie? Nope!
Trouble is every lefty in the countryside immediately pee'd in their diaper and started shoveling money at the "problem".
Al Gore made a relatively large fortune.
TRUTH!!!
Venus’ surface is 100% rock without the modeling confounds of our oceans.
The surface has 100% cloud cover (thus is not subject to Richard Lindzen of MIT’s “Infared Iris” effects. Again, no Earth-like confounds.
The upper atmosphere zooms at 1000 mph. The modelers don’t Know why and can’t reproduce the Venusian atmospheric conditions.
If they can do simple, I have zero confidence they can do complex…. the Gubmint sure will pay for it.
Oh yeah, regarding volcanic discharges: the 40,000 mile mid-ocean ridges are volcanically active and are churning out stuff continuously- how to measure and model these contributions?
Bingo! Spot on! Correct!
And the moral of the story is that ANY geoengineering attempt will produce unforeseen, and likely undesirable, effects! There are too many variables and too many unknowns to mathematically model, so the calculations will be off-target.
Not to mention that ALL volcano eruptions emit CO-2...just as the California fires emit CO-2.
Very pleased this was the first comment. Ever since the initial speculation(s) about its effects (largest volcanic eruption since Krakatoa, 150 years ago), despite the record amount of water vapor and particulate/sulfur compounds, the literature has been strangely quiet, as if this was a non-event. The WaPo article this morning and this rehash mention the stratosphere is the dry layer above the clouds in question - well, the stratosphere just received an injection of an additional 10% water AND sulfur and particulates. Guess not that important /s
And this WaPo article is apparently being widely reprinted in different newspapers; it was in the local Minneapolis Star Tribune today. I scanned it to see if there was any mention of Hunga Tonga, rolled my eyes, and moved on. Whadya think. - a political AGENDA?
Ha ha.... You'll be waiting a long time to get anything from the Red Star that doesn't support the lefty narrative.
For an extensive review of many more ways climate change alarmists are wrong, including Hunga Tonga, you might be interested in a post on The Menelaus Gambit: https://ernestdlieberman.substack.com/p/climate-change-alarmists-ignore-how
Thanks - that’s a good summation of a bunch of valid points! I have now subscribed.
Indeed. And what did we hear about it?
crickets!
I caught it in one of my newz feeds (prolly AppleNewz) and similarly read through looking for mention of Hunga Ha’apai - and wasn’t surprised.