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So much of what you have said here, Dr. Malone, makes perfect sense. I will try to keep the faith. However, what does not make sense to me, is that if you are hoping to "Make America Healthy Again", then your cabinet appointments need to reflect that. Dr. Nesheiwat very enthusiastically promoted the covid injections, & was also in favor of masking, social distancing, lockdowns, and censorship. Dr. Makary is a health policy expert at Johns Hopkins, the same institution that ran "Event 201" - the tabletop exercise that immediately preceded covid. He may not have participated, but he was surely well acquainted with it. That raises my antennae. He also supported the "vaccines" for adults & masking. Dr. Oz was also in favor of the covid "vaccines, as well as all vaccines & is pro trans surgeries. It was known by the spring of 2020, that the survival rate for covid was in excess of 99%. Even for those 70+, the survival rate was 74.5%. Did any of these doctors let that be known? Did any of them promote the use of HCQ or Ivermectin? People are dropping dead everywhere, everyday, the vast majority of them "vaccinated". This needs to be the centerpiece of the discussion by any doctor placed within this administration. One person who keeps track of these sudden deaths weekly here in the U.S. & elsewhere is Mark Crispin Miller. For example, here is his report on those who died the week of November 11-18, 2024.....https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/in-memory-of-those-who-died-suddenly-november-11-18-2024 Brace yourself. It is deeply disturbing. Keep in mind, that this is only one week. Yes, we need to make America healthy again. But we cannot keep ignoring the elephant in the room.

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Nailed it!

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The evidence is draconian and our NIH is ossified! The Pfizer Papers says it all and there is no reaction from the medical community and universities demanding a stop to this RNA push! Need to bypass the medical community and go directly to the American public with the truth!

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Back in the 80's I did some business with NIH. Back then I strongly felt that you could cut the agency by 50% and not harm anything productive they were doing. Like a lot of these behemoths, it's a huge employment service. I got to know Drs. and scientists there that did nothing. In fairness, if they tried to do something constructive, they were shouted down. Even back then HR was run by minority women. Serious scientists could not get the qualified help they needed.

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Same thing is true of the VA. They know how to improve the health of the veterans, just by boosting their vitamin D blood value. They did a study that proved it and ignored it! Typical bureaucracy!

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Are you saying all of these people had the jab? I have noticed in my family and friends an increase in those that have had heart issues (blockage and infarctions), recurrence of cancer that was in remission, and recurrence of respiratory 'infections' since the covid crisis, and yes they have all had jabs. Unfrotunately, there is no way to conclusively say it is due to the jab, but I think that's the way it was set up. Personally, my immediate family did not receive the jab and will not. I was told multiple times by doctors and friends to get the jab bc they worried about me getting covid. (I have type 1 diabetes) I had covid at least twice, never hospitalized, and recovered. The first time was the worst, January 2020, and doctors had no idea what covid was. They said it was a virus and sent me home, thank goodness. I was sick for 2 weeks with body aches and very tired. I guess I was lucky.

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I don't think we call that "lucky". Actually, it's more like normal.

I had covid too, but only once in Nov. 2020. I am also not vaxxed and never will be. My experience was about the same. At the time I was about 68 with some COPD issues. I did however discover quercetin, zinc and Vit. D3 shortly after and haven't had any virus issues since, including flu and/or colds.

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Hi Brandy - we will never know for sure if they all received the jab, but credible sources have estimated that approximately 75% of the U.S. population had one of these "vaccines". Keep in mind too, that even the hospitals made it appear as if all of the covid patients were unvaccinated, when many, if not most, were indeed vaccinated. The vaccination status of most patients was documented as "unknown". This was to stoke fear. Several whistleblower nurses have attested to this fact. I also need to make one correction: The survival rate for those 70+ was actually 94.5% (not 74.5% - my fingers were moving too fast & did not realize I had typed a 7 when it should have been a 9) Then there are all of the dead athletes. This report is only up until the end of December 2023. Almost all athletes were required to get one of these "vaccines".....https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

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As far as official vaxxed/unvaxxed status goes, people who were vaxxed, but hadn't met the time frame to be considered vaxxed were listed as unvaxxed.

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What is the common denominator?

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Thoughtful reflections that are voicing the realities we have all lived through in excruciating pain. These appointments are included in this group. I respect the fact that they were entrenched in the very medical behemoth which created and fueled the lies and these crimes against humanity. It must have been a period of great anguish out of which they must now rise up and fight.

Now is that time for all of us, having awakened and now strengthened full force into the fray. As Dr Malone wisely concludes, and President Trump voiced himself as he walked away from his stolen prize in 2021, ….THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING, he said before he and Melania left Washington DC. that day.

This battle for America has indeed only just begun. We must patiently, and with God’s great strength and endurance, put on the armor, standing by those who accept the challenge to lead, recognizing that we each are mere mortals, imperfect beings on this imperfect planet we deem to bring back from Darkness into the Light the Creator intended. With God all things are possible. We are grateful for this gift, this opportunity to bring her back, this America, this gift we have been given. Amen

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Amen!

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I so agree! You have made it very clear, & the fact that the alleged vaccines were “helping” people & would keep folks free of this “virus”, is still evident in commercials- advertising that vaccines are still necessary & big farming industry continues to push these dangerous “drugs”, for covid19! My family & I did not get any of the proposed vaccines, & I’m so thankful all of my family saw right through the mistrust & lies that we were, & continue to be told! Thank you!

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When word of Covid first started coming out, I googled ivermectin. This was before google started hiding everything about it. What came up were numerous studies at NIH on ivermectin and cancer. I was quite surprised as I had sold veterinary vaccines and ivermectin for 35 years. I also searched for the "monograph" of the covid vaccines. Didn't exist. A monograph is a compilation of all research studies of a vaccine or drug in one book. I knew that it took years to get an animal vaccine approved. I didn't take the vaccine and now I don't trust any Pharma company. NIH knew all about ivermectin and cancer and now we are just starting to hear those two words used together.

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I agree. What if the only reason the Nuremberg Code kept things in check for as long as it did was because of the very accountability that was required of the Nazi doctors? Government exists TO DETER rights violations.

For Dr. Malone, why do you think the old and new testaments speak of the Messiah reigning/shepherding the Gentile nations with a rod of iron? It's because motivating deterrence is the true lesser of evils over the long term, however else it may play out in the short term. I.e., deterrence IS a species of shepherding. It's the only way a true utilitarianism can be consistent with justice.

That said, it may very well be too late to stop the descent into tyranny or war. But to the extent that deterrence can properly be defended to the public and consented to by the public, it should be done. But you won't know until you try.

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Rod of iron seems a bit draconian

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Excellent analysis! It is a major concern to see people being given positions that endorse the vax! I am very pro-Trump, but this move is questionable...it will NOT Make America Healthy Again.

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Great comment Debra!!!

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Many of these people changed their positions as time went on. Is Dr. Oz pro trans surgeries for MINORS? Surgeries for adults is fine, though it should be covered the same as cosmetic surgery--you pay for it yourself. I haven't seen Dr. Oz's specific policy on that.

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This is very concerning. I know nothing about Nesheiwat, I already did not like Oz.

The one thing I have been VERY disappointed in Trump about, for nearly 4 years now, is his failure to acknowledge problems with the vax. And he's GOT to know about at least some of them by now. He can still brag about Operation Warp Speed and the mechanics of it if he needs to, while admitting great concern for the final product and it's lack of honest studies and now-proven health issues it's caused.

I am taking the "died suddenly" lists with a grain of salt at this point... wouldn't they have more impact if he also listed a comparison average from previous 5 to 10 years actuals? Without a comparison there's no way to guess if these exceed national average. I do know the deadly "vaccine" is causing multiple health issues and deaths, I'm not arguing that at all, I'm just saying his list cannot be assumed to even be "vaccinated" people much less death likely caused by it and in excess of weekly average for same time frame of previous years.

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Sheila,

There are lots of statistics showing up that you would be interested in if you want to know the difference between the normal amount of deaths we might expect compared to what is actually happening. Here is just one example.

Dr. John Campbell has a great YouTube site. In this episode he refers to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development which compiles annual mortality stats.

For the U.S. alone in just over one year (2022) there were 651,000 more deaths than were expected. The crime is that it is being suppressed and no one is even raising an eyebrow!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU0DxJ1vbmM

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This was most Compelling Sheila, as I too watched Dr. Campbell.

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It is very concerning, Sheila & I agree with you about Trump needing to acknowledge the very serious problems with these products. Naomi Wolf has just published "The Pfizer Papers". This should be required reading by everyone associated with the incoming administration - starting with Trump. I realize that there are numerous pressing issues & threats to this country that will require an "all hands on deck" approach, but when people's lives are continually being snuffed out at an alarming rate, with little to no acknowledgement by either our federal health officials or the mainstream media, I consider this to be of utmost importance. I liken it to the foundation of your house crumbling & no one is paying attention. What does it take - for your house to completely collapse before someone says anything???

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President Trump had to hold his nose and defer to the Deep State Apparatchik Anthony Fauci, who is the ultimate one accountable for many crimes against humanity, starting back in the 80’s. Please read the book The Real Anthony Fauci by Robt. F Kennedy Jr. you will learn all you need to know about the Leviathan which is the medical complex including the CDC, NAIAD, and the NIH. I believe Trump never really knew the depth of deception of the Coronavirus nor the so called vaccine. The Truth will prevail, at the cost of many 100’s of thousands of lives. Crimes Against Humanity.

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"And it will most certainly be better than the alternative would have been."

It's hard to even imagine how it could be worse.

But expectations have been way too high for way too many. Trump is a strategist, deal-maker, etc. And he's not a principled conservative AT ALL. He has no interest in subsidiarity or the 10th amendment. He's a narcissist who wants a legacy of a savior.

Just be glad that his administration, if it survives, buys us more time to work on contingency plans we might need more time for. And if it helps make it easier for us to convince people uninformed of what's at stake from our massive debt and international manipulation/exploitation and internal corruption, that may buy us even more time.

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I agree with this comment as this may be the most realistic option here. Use the next 4 years to work on contingency plans as neither side is coming to save us.

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The fact that Trump wants a legacy of a savior is exactly what might help us all succeed. He won’t have that legacy if he doesn’t thwart the Deep State and provide some concrete advances in what’s fundamentally good for our country.

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He definitely needs to be tough on the Deep State. But being tough on China may be a bit more tricky. Even if he kicks 'em down a bit during his term, there's blow-back.

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China is not a threat other than they spend their money on infrastructure projects and not war so in that way they are kicking our butts. But you have fallen for the propaganda that the establishment has given you. China is a boogey man because they are successful, and our elite shot itself in the foot when we sent our jobs to China.

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China a boogyman for a bit more than that.

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And yet, we cooperate with this Bogyman China over sensitive, highly scientific lab research and production of medical products that we then medicate our American citizens with. We hire China to produce sensitive electronic components that we then install in our instruments, machines, and tools. Is that how enemies relate?

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Agreed. Trump will have to thread the needle to take the path towards a brighter future. There will lots of problems to overcome along that road. The best everyone can do is support him and understand that correcting the American government is not going to be easy. Some of his appointments may not make sense today but in the future when historians write about these times we will all agree they were for the best at the time. We are not privy to all the backroom decision making and thinking.

I like Elon Musks approach to problem solving. First you analyze the design but at some point you have to test out the rocket and let it crash and burn so you can uncover the rest of the design flaws. NASA took the one shot approach which meant a lot more time in design and slowed up NASA's progress. Elon's was quicker and to my way of thinking, safer.

In the meantime, help Trump if you are in a position to do so as he is the best that America has at this time.

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Yeah, I think we can use his results as a comparison to help the yet-ignorant see that you need to understand things about human nature, economics, etc, to know how to vote your actual self-interest. And especially the interest of your posterity.

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Agree. "Let the man work" as they say. It takes paced strategy to set up and then close a deal.

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A low bar indeed. Thought #44 had taken us to ground level but this cabal that stole the election found the basement. Let us hope we do not find ourselves in a subbasement in the near future

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I never cease to be amazed. A friend of mine always told me better minds will prevail before things get too bad. I'm wondering how he defines "too bad." Was WWII "too bad?" Was talking kids into myodcarditis "too bad?" I think if you can participate in the death of kids, you're already at Hitler level insanity. And there were no better minds that stopped them. OR THAT EVEN ATTEMPTED TO!!

There's a group that teaches employee improvement methodology called GRID. They talk about 4 basic social styles. They said there have been studies that show that certain social styles (which I'm sure most RINO's have) will literally die before coming out of their normal non-confrontational style when a split-decision has to be made. Add on the shame of complicity in great evil, and it explains why there are no "better minds" that will save us.

To the extent the Trump will help us, WE had to have the god-given sense to vote for him. WE have to be the better minds.

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Bill Gates proof socio/psychopaths do not have to be particularly bright, just unbridled greed coupled with tunnel vision

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Yep. There are people with great memories who know precious little about how inductive reasoning works. I've known several people like that over my 65 years. If I had their memories, I could be rich by now. LOL

But I really wonder if some of them are knowingly willing to do insane things because they think they can create a utopia on the other side of the massive global debt mitigation. And maybe de-population is part of their debt mitigation plan. So I'm not sure they all have tunnel vision. Some may just be willing to gamble in a way that is so insane (AND DEPRAVED) to us that we simply can't comply with it.

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Well, frankly, he's already proven he can greatly increase our economy - and personal wealth - and knows exactly how to deal with aggressive foreign countries. He and his administration did some truly great things including eliminating more than the 4 to 1 regulation reduction promise - despite the unbelievable pushback and roadblocks on everything he tried to do. He's known how to accomplish this for over 20-25 years (watch his very old Oprah interview where she asks him if he would consider a run for president one day). He's no savior. We already have the One who is. But he is the only one trying to save us from the far left mentally ill and green lie agendas and corruption and totalitarianism in the USG, and for that everyone who is aware should be thankful.

For myself, I normally can't stand a braggarts but I just think Trump is funny. Because I think his narcissism and bragging are largely his purposely created public persona. You don't hear him brag about the individuals he has helped over the years (who tell many stories), or money and time and resources he has donated quietly and without fanfare. Yes, he is a deal-maker - and an actor. All wheel-and-deal people I've ever known were also great actors. Just my opinion 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Yes. He wants to do good things to be liked.

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“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

G. Michael Hopf

I like this, reminds me of

Good decisions come from experience.

Experience, comes from bad decisions.

As a practicing nurse for 40 years, I have learned that like the general public, there are some rabid folks that call themselves nurses and doctors.

I mean, truly evil, but they had power, and no complaints would make then suffer the consequence of their evil.

So I moved on.

When patients ask my opinion on the docs I work with, I say

"I would let him work on me, (competent) followed with, I would never have a cup of coffee with that doctor (and ass) , or I would have a beer with that guy" (and a nice guy).

If I am unwilling to let that quack work on me, I would say, you should get a second opinion.

If I was planning on leaving that office, I would say, hell no, I would not let that quack near me with a toothbrush.

Retired now, so I feel perfectly safe mocking the rabid medical vermin I have have the displeasure of suffering next to.

ohh ohh. nurse joke

My nurse buddy Pierre, walked by, I asked, " Hey, why do you have a rectal thermometer behind your ear (in old days, rectal and oral thermometers were shaped different).

He reached up, grabbed the thermometer, and said, "I'll be dammed, I wonder what asshole has my pencil"?

Happy Thanksgiving guys.

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Self centered egotistical humans abound in all walks of life. You just have to learn how to avoid them.

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LOL!! As a retired OR nurse….I totally get your humor

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OR, damn, god bless you people, I know some OR folks, and man, surgeons have a high opinion of themselves.

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Happy Thanksgiving to you as well !

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Wonderful words! Have a wonderful & Blessed Thanksgiving Holiday as well!

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Thanks for the words of caution Doc. It’s better to temper ones expectations than to expect everything and then be disappointed. Still having read the Fourth Turning and having bought its thesis: every 80-100 years we are in the Fourth Turning where things once thought impossible are possible, even probable. It seems to me we are in the midst of such a turn. Also, once upon a time we never thought the Berlin Wall would fall. Then the next day it did. Sometimes history moves slow, sometimes fast…but never in a straight line.

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Thing tend to change slowly.... Then, all at once.

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Great point Paul. Those were the days when we thought it would never happen!

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💯🇺🇸🙏🏻

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Indeed, we are in the apex …..into the Awakening from out of the ashes of Crisis. I, too, ascribe to the theory described in the book The Fourth Turning, and the sequel to it written in 2023, describing this present turn of the 21st Century events. They are of great import to our Nation and the World.

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Depressing to wake up to reality. I still believe that the best route in the medical arena is to have a joint session of both houses of Congress and RFK Jr. should provide the truth and facts that have created a bloated healthcare system that is twice as expensive as any other in the world and the health outcomes are dismal because of the contributions of big Chemo and big Agra! I don't see how the mass media could ignore the event and not report the truth to the American people.

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Did you mean to say, outcomes are dismal?

Enough sunlight will disinfect almost anything.

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Absolutely agree. We pay the most to sadly get the lowest result. It is sad.

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However disappointing the MAGA/MAHA movement may prove to be, it will be far preferable to what a Harris/Walz corporatocracy regime would have produced. I believe that because the problems that underlie the situation the country and the world is now in, which are due to cancer like growth of powerful financial interests, unless we the people change the system, the cancer will continue to metastasize. We must create new and better systems that make the old one obsolete, a la Buckminster Fuller, not try to salvage a necrotic system that is moribund. This is a time for new growth, innovation, and replacement, not restoration of the gangrenous system that deserves to be sloughed off. The innovators, the bold, and the courageous will carry us into the future. The hangers on will soon be rendered obsolete. It is up to us. We the people must come up with a new way forward if we want a better world, and stop waiting for someone else to fix it. Get on your horse, people, and go!

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Indeed! Parallel economies are slowly taking shape. It takes time, persistence and patience.

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Well said and thank you!

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Right On! Embracing the Great Awakening, out of the ashes of the 21st Century Fourth Turning Crisis from which we now arise and begin the rebuilding on promising new foundations! Amen brother!

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We MUST NOT stop our efforts at the grassroots local level. The feds will do what they will do. They cannot save us, they don't own white horses, and they are not knights in shining armor however much they fancy themselves to be. We delude ourselves if we expect that.

The best we can do is rein in their tyranny and push for the best people to occupy key positions. Moreover, if Vivek and Elon do their work well, most of these folks will be out of a job soon anyway. We can only hope!

What we do locally -- in our homes, our extended families, our work environment, our communities, and our states -- will matter most. With the recent MAGA/MAHA wins, it's not over and the fat lady definitely hasn't sung. Our work is just beginning!

In Idaho, we're trying to make inroads, and we've made some progress already. For those interested, we offer some results, tools, and blueprints that can be adapted for any state:

• Idaho's County Commissioners Advise Against Gene Therapy Shots: https://eolson47.substack.com/p/idaho-county-commissioners-advise

• Health Freedom & Other Solutions for Idaho & Beyond: https://eolson47.substack.com/p/health-freedom-and-other-solutions

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I just wanted to mention the lawfare the democrats have thrust onto the political field. When a presidents term begins they say each has a certain amount of political capital in which to get their plans done. The corrupt lawfare the democrats dispersed Is something that I’ve never seen in America. It started with The January 6th protestors being railroaded and put in prison. The January 6th committee which now we know destroyed exculpatory evidence and hid footage of capital police telling people to come in, don’t worry, nothing will happen, everything will be fine. I have to add, these people were there to support Trump and protest a stolen election Trump himself insists happened. These people are patriots and most all deserved no jail time, just look at what antifa and blm did in the summer of 2020.

And of course we had the justice departments multi pronged attempt to bankrupt, take off the ballot and jail the leading opposing presidential candidate. I’ve heard Trump is now backing away from blanket pardons of January 6th jailed and convicted protesters. Very disappointing! I’m hoping that once Biden pardons Hunter, Trump will use this as a key to restore the lives Merrick Garland and the justice department have destroyed. Honestly reparations should be paid.

The other bit of justice that has to take place is the prosecution of all contributors of this law fare and election tampering. Merrick Garland, Jack Smith Alvin Bragg Fanni Willis should be on the short list for prosecution. Any one in the January 6th committee that destroyed evidence that would have proven the innocence of the protesters should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. To me if we could crush this disgusting justice department corruption so that no one ever tries this again it would be a massive step to putting America back on its foundation.

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Prosecution.....conviction and PUBLIC EXECUTION = MR GUILLOTINE !!!!

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Speaking as a person of deep faith, I put my trust in my maker. Understanding that He works all things together for good, I also understand that our human sense of time is much different than His. A millisecond to Him can be 100 years to us.

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Absolutely.

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Just in case it was missed,

If the pilgrims were alive today, what would they be most famous for?

Their age.

My wife said I have to stop telling jokes at the Thanksgiving dinner this year.

I said, "stop...... cold turkey"

Have a funny Turkey Day

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Overtons Window on steroids. - let’s move the needle of public thinking of all that subverts, controls, and takes. Maintain long game status and not give up. EVERY election could be the last if we don’t. We will and must forever battle the evil or it wins. Can we get the needle to keep moving?

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I believe right now we have just got to the point where the needle has stopped and is just starting to swing the other way.

As Bongino is wont to say: is it bad enough yet? It looks like it just now finally got there.

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The best way to neutralize the issues you don't support is to bring those you can control into your sphere of influence through promotions to positions of power, at least as far as they are concerned. Trump controls these positions and what they can do or not do and he exerts that control by knowing the details of the activity of each. These are people likely to be supported for confirmation and may have held 'deep state' views in the past. They may have evolved their thinking as many of us have or they may be simply be power-seekers. If they do not execute as Trump has laid out they will be fired and lose their accumulated power-base because once in the Trump administration they will be seen as tainted and untrustworthy by the 'deep state'.

Trump does what he says he will do. He does play a sophisticated game at multiple levels. Providing constant input on his choices with that in mind to remind him many are watching very, very carefully is the best we can do for the time being. The people have voted loudly. He knows and respects that.

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A good splash of cold water on the face, this post was. Agree.

Also reminded me of a work colleague who, when the nay-sayers started chirping: "I'm not interesting in what we can't do; I'm interesting in looking into what we CAN do." Let's remember that.

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In order to get his nominees approved and start working on MAGA / MAHA, Trump has to accept something less than he or I would like. His picks are mostly to my liking but, not all. However, the most disappointing Trump appointment is light years better than anyone that the democrats have had running things the past few years.

As Ronald Reagan famously said, “The person who agrees with you 80 percent of the time is a friend and an ally - not a 20 percent traitor.”

Let’s carry on and not get bogged down worrying about those 80%ers!

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"... not a 20% traitor." Yes, right on the money - [ or right on the percentage]? Cheers!

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Right you are, DJT still has an iron fist in his velvet gloves. He must shadow-box and outwit the *vermin of all vermins*, there is remorse to be had, very slowly but surely

.....tabula rasa !!!!

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My apologies... in the haste I forgot to insert the word NO REMORSE to he had. Sometime I am overwhelmed by my deep feelings for JUSTICE, and JUSTICE must be made !!!

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Thank you for a dose of reality at a time of great hope and likely unrealistic expectations. Human nature did not fundamentally change with the election of Donald Trump. Pharma will continue to manipulate the governmental agencies it owns and the medical community it has bought and brainwashed. Globalists won’t give up. Those committed to Marxism and a woman’s “right” to kill the child in her womb will continue their relentless attacks. And yet, there is a glimmer of hope now that contrasts with the despair and darkness which would have accompanied a Harris Walz election. Satan has suffered a brief setback, but is still prowling the earth looking for those to take down with him. Those of us who voted for the new team need to double down in our support of the ideals they were elected to reinforce. God is on our side if we honor Him and obey His commands. He acts through individuals and governments. We ought to pray daily for the wisdom and integrity of those in government at all levels. Human nature is to pretend that we are god, and the guidance for life found in the Bible is just a bunch of optional suggestions. We may have been granted a reprieve for a time in this country, but our hope is in God, and His plan for the human race. People need to be very familiar with biblical prophecy, and look at the news through that lens. God bless America, and may we return to being a nation that honors and obeys Him.

Happy Thanksgiving, Robert and Jill!

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I pray every day for repentance and revival on a grand scale for our country. The cure for what ails us is not political, but spiritual. Daily Bible reading is such a blessing! Would that it becomes a trend... My previous studies compared the NKJV with the NIV, with the former usually coming out the winner. Now rediscovering the KJV, with some surprises...

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Yes, I was reading through all of the comments here, thinking of what I would add. You have said it well Paul, we all need to continue to work and pray.

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It is probably impossible to move the mastodont pharma out of the way. They are with the big banks, those that rule the country.

As for personal decisions, the real thing is to find a doctor who won't push anything on you that you do not want. Nothing - not even meds that you don't want to take. There has to be a possibility to refuse treatment even if a doctor thinks it is necessary. There can be a talk with pros and cons, but we all know that all meds contain risks as well. these have to be said out loud by the doc. And the govt should keep out of that talk. A govt is not there to play medical police. There is work enough to do if they keep to their task. (specially driving over some of the horrible roads I wonder if there is some govt repairing those).

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smarter folks like informed consent, I cannot count the number of times a patient was not interested in the SE or Adverse reactions, "just give me the damn pills".

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Yes, surely those patients are part of the "demand" problem. And that demand can keep the paradigm growing. And that is "the free market", which I basically endorse. If we want "freedom" I suppose it means allowing uninformed consent as much as informed consent.

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My view. Most physicians want to heal the patient. Just have to be careful and find the right venue.

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Yes, the way to find such a doctor is to avoid large clinic groups. Independent doctors are much more likely to think.

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