"Another Israeli Channel 12 report profiled a soldier who said she was ordered to open fire on homes in kibbutz Holit whether there were civilians inside or not. Indeed, ten Israelis were killed in Holit."
"Another Israeli Channel 12 report profiled a soldier who said she was ordered to open fire on homes in kibbutz Holit whether there were civilians inside or not. Indeed, ten Israelis were killed in Holit."
"Two months after the events of October 7, shocking new testimony reveals that the Israeli military, using an arsenal of gunfire, tank shelling and guided LAU missiles, killed almost certainly all but one of the 14 hostages held in a house in kibbutz Be’eri – along with their Hamas captors.
The testimony, published by Israel's Channel 12, was delivered by the sole survivor from the massacre inside one house, Hadas Dagan, a resident of Be’eri who had previously maintained her silence."
I've already acknowledged Israel has killed it's own people, in a response to Daniel, above, copied & pasted here:
'"On the question of intentions Daniel, does it matter that the Oct 7 attack by Hamas was carried out with the deliberate intent to rape and torture as many civilians as possible? And that non-Hamas Palestinians ventured out of Gaza to "me-too" the atrocities? Israel, OTOH, has made genuine efforts to minimize harm to civilians while attempting to eliminated Hamas terrorists, but yet killed civilians- not only Palis, but it's own Israeli civilians. In short, do intentions matter? Daniel?"
Daniel pussied out and didn't answer the question. How about you give it a try. Do intentions matter, Moonspinner?
You act as if I have to read every single posting of yours in order to comment. You act as if I have to comment WHEN you think it appropriate (you write that I'm "late to the party again"). What arrogance.
How do you know what was the "intent" of Hamas, when I assume you weren't among them and privy to their thoughts and words? You're a mind reader? You assume that what you read on the mainstream news about the "rape and torture" is true? How do you know it's true?
You surely must know that Mossad has infiltrated Hamas long ago and has been financially supporting them. As I wrote elsewhere, Mossad is a rather clever organization. This October 7 "LIHOP" sure appears to be one of Mossad's common enough false flags -- a means to a long-desired end -- it's the excuse for the genocide of the Palestinians -- getting rid of all of them, by death or exile.
Scott Horton, the editorial director of the Antiwar website, has found further evidence that Hamas is an Israeli-controlled terror organization. Horton points to a recent post at the Israeli newspaper Haaretz. The article is locked up behind a paywall. However, it is posted on the Archive.org website.
During Netanyahu’s fraud trial, writes Gidi Wewitz, the prime minister is quoted as declaring,
“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” he told a meeting of his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy—to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”
I commented you came late to the discussion, which you did. You seemed to think all your comments were original thinking. But they weren't. And yeah, I found it tiresome to have explain all of it AGAIN.
I can't get over how you hand-wave Hamas's atrocities away as "fog of war." That's bullshit. The Palestinian people are twisted. You're a student of this stuff, so surely you've seen videos of 8 and 10 year-olds saying they hate Jews, they want to stab a Jew, they want to be a suicide martyr. That's sick. That's Islamic/Palestinian culture that did that, not Israel.
I'm 67 yo. I've been watching these developments in the Mideast for a long time. Egypt has made peace w/ Israel. Saudi Arabia was on the verge of a peace agreement. Qatar and the Emirates were warming up.
The Palestinians and the Iranians stand apart from all the other Arab and Farsi nations. They've made it abundantly clear, THEY DO NOT WANT A PEACE WITH ISRAEL unless it involves the destruction of Israel. While they're waging their never-ending war, they're lying the whole time. Israel left Gaza in 2005. They have not been there to oppress the Palis, which is a claim repeated ad nauseum. Western nations have donated $billions to Gaza. Instead of using it for economic and human development, they use it to build tunnels and home-made rockets, which they aim at civilians.
You may be right. This may all be machinations by Netanyahu. I'm skeptical. But it's possible.
The stuff I know about Hamas is stuff I've cross-checked with corroboration from multiple sources. If you want to be persuasive in what you're saying about Netanyahu, bring the receipts. Something going beyond a single report in a Palestinian newspaper, an Israeli paper (Israel has its equivalents of Trump-hating NYT writing stories about Trump-Russia collusion, which as you know, were false), or the say-so of Mr. FAFO.
You write: "You're a student of this stuff, so surely you've seen videos of 8 and 10 year-olds saying they hate Jews, they want to stab a Jew, they want to be a suicide martyr. That's sick."
Behold, the Jewish children doing the same. That's sick.
I don't have to convince you. You are so sure that what you see and hear from the mainstream media is true regarding Hamas atrocities (they may very well be true, and may very well be planned that way by Mossad, which, you have to admit, is a clever psyop), but then you admit that the mainstream media's Trump-Russia collusion reporting was false. Why trust the mainstream media at all? I don't.
And there's plenty of retired IDF (I don't have to do research for you -- it takes time, and I'm through with this conversation) who are convinced that Bibi is resurrecting his "statesman" facade, to get him out of legal trouble. I've noted their opinions. But now that you know Bibi might be the real instigator for this "Greater Israel" dream, and this might very well be a rather masterful LIHOP (leave it to Mossad to pull off something like this), you're welcome to do the research yourself.
Heh. You really don't know me at all. AFAIC, MSM is lower than whale shit.
I wrote my reasons for giving credibility to the reports of Hamas atrocities in another post to you. Are you going to have me repeat them AGAIN?
As far as the song, I don't have a problem with it. They've been attacked by Hamas. Hamas is hiding behind human shields in Gaza. IDF is going into Gaza to hunt Hamas down and kill or capture them. I'm down.
Saying AGAIN, if you're gong to claim Mossad had Hamas butcher all those people, bring the receipts. So far, all you have is supposition.
Rather like intentional "friendly fire" --
"Another Israeli Channel 12 report profiled a soldier who said she was ordered to open fire on homes in kibbutz Holit whether there were civilians inside or not. Indeed, ten Israelis were killed in Holit."
https://azradale.substack.com/p/more-details-of-israeli-mass-hannibal
"Two months after the events of October 7, shocking new testimony reveals that the Israeli military, using an arsenal of gunfire, tank shelling and guided LAU missiles, killed almost certainly all but one of the 14 hostages held in a house in kibbutz Be’eri – along with their Hamas captors.
The testimony, published by Israel's Channel 12, was delivered by the sole survivor from the massacre inside one house, Hadas Dagan, a resident of Be’eri who had previously maintained her silence."
You're late to the party again.
I've already acknowledged Israel has killed it's own people, in a response to Daniel, above, copied & pasted here:
'"On the question of intentions Daniel, does it matter that the Oct 7 attack by Hamas was carried out with the deliberate intent to rape and torture as many civilians as possible? And that non-Hamas Palestinians ventured out of Gaza to "me-too" the atrocities? Israel, OTOH, has made genuine efforts to minimize harm to civilians while attempting to eliminated Hamas terrorists, but yet killed civilians- not only Palis, but it's own Israeli civilians. In short, do intentions matter? Daniel?"
Daniel pussied out and didn't answer the question. How about you give it a try. Do intentions matter, Moonspinner?
You act as if I have to read every single posting of yours in order to comment. You act as if I have to comment WHEN you think it appropriate (you write that I'm "late to the party again"). What arrogance.
How do you know what was the "intent" of Hamas, when I assume you weren't among them and privy to their thoughts and words? You're a mind reader? You assume that what you read on the mainstream news about the "rape and torture" is true? How do you know it's true?
You surely must know that Mossad has infiltrated Hamas long ago and has been financially supporting them. As I wrote elsewhere, Mossad is a rather clever organization. This October 7 "LIHOP" sure appears to be one of Mossad's common enough false flags -- a means to a long-desired end -- it's the excuse for the genocide of the Palestinians -- getting rid of all of them, by death or exile.
Netanyahu Bragged About Zionist Support for Hamas
https://kurtnimmo.substack.com/p/netanyahu-bragged-about-zionist-support
Scott Horton, the editorial director of the Antiwar website, has found further evidence that Hamas is an Israeli-controlled terror organization. Horton points to a recent post at the Israeli newspaper Haaretz. The article is locked up behind a paywall. However, it is posted on the Archive.org website.
During Netanyahu’s fraud trial, writes Gidi Wewitz, the prime minister is quoted as declaring,
“Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” he told a meeting of his Likud party’s Knesset members in March 2019. “This is part of our strategy—to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”
https://archive.ph/2023.10.10-030658/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-09/ty-article/.premium/another-concept-implodes-israel-cant-be-managed-by-a-criminal-defendant/0000018b-1382-d2fc-a59f-d39b5dbf0000
I commented you came late to the discussion, which you did. You seemed to think all your comments were original thinking. But they weren't. And yeah, I found it tiresome to have explain all of it AGAIN.
I can't get over how you hand-wave Hamas's atrocities away as "fog of war." That's bullshit. The Palestinian people are twisted. You're a student of this stuff, so surely you've seen videos of 8 and 10 year-olds saying they hate Jews, they want to stab a Jew, they want to be a suicide martyr. That's sick. That's Islamic/Palestinian culture that did that, not Israel.
I'm 67 yo. I've been watching these developments in the Mideast for a long time. Egypt has made peace w/ Israel. Saudi Arabia was on the verge of a peace agreement. Qatar and the Emirates were warming up.
The Palestinians and the Iranians stand apart from all the other Arab and Farsi nations. They've made it abundantly clear, THEY DO NOT WANT A PEACE WITH ISRAEL unless it involves the destruction of Israel. While they're waging their never-ending war, they're lying the whole time. Israel left Gaza in 2005. They have not been there to oppress the Palis, which is a claim repeated ad nauseum. Western nations have donated $billions to Gaza. Instead of using it for economic and human development, they use it to build tunnels and home-made rockets, which they aim at civilians.
You may be right. This may all be machinations by Netanyahu. I'm skeptical. But it's possible.
The stuff I know about Hamas is stuff I've cross-checked with corroboration from multiple sources. If you want to be persuasive in what you're saying about Netanyahu, bring the receipts. Something going beyond a single report in a Palestinian newspaper, an Israeli paper (Israel has its equivalents of Trump-hating NYT writing stories about Trump-Russia collusion, which as you know, were false), or the say-so of Mr. FAFO.
You write: "You're a student of this stuff, so surely you've seen videos of 8 and 10 year-olds saying they hate Jews, they want to stab a Jew, they want to be a suicide martyr. That's sick."
Behold, the Jewish children doing the same. That's sick.
https://twitter.com/intifada/status/1726345295515058255
I don't have to convince you. You are so sure that what you see and hear from the mainstream media is true regarding Hamas atrocities (they may very well be true, and may very well be planned that way by Mossad, which, you have to admit, is a clever psyop), but then you admit that the mainstream media's Trump-Russia collusion reporting was false. Why trust the mainstream media at all? I don't.
And there's plenty of retired IDF (I don't have to do research for you -- it takes time, and I'm through with this conversation) who are convinced that Bibi is resurrecting his "statesman" facade, to get him out of legal trouble. I've noted their opinions. But now that you know Bibi might be the real instigator for this "Greater Israel" dream, and this might very well be a rather masterful LIHOP (leave it to Mossad to pull off something like this), you're welcome to do the research yourself.
Heh. You really don't know me at all. AFAIC, MSM is lower than whale shit.
I wrote my reasons for giving credibility to the reports of Hamas atrocities in another post to you. Are you going to have me repeat them AGAIN?
As far as the song, I don't have a problem with it. They've been attacked by Hamas. Hamas is hiding behind human shields in Gaza. IDF is going into Gaza to hunt Hamas down and kill or capture them. I'm down.
Saying AGAIN, if you're gong to claim Mossad had Hamas butcher all those people, bring the receipts. So far, all you have is supposition.
Isn't that right?