First, I don't believe any Palestinian women and children should be murdered or starved to death.
You didn't answer the question- do you think Hamas committed the atrocities they've been accused of, or not?
I do not believe Israel has committed atrocities against the Palestinians. They know they are under the microscope. They are aware there are plenty of critics who want to find reasons to get them to stop their destruction of Hamas.
That's not to say there hasn't been collateral harm to Pali civilians as the IDF wages war against Hamas, who is using civilians as human shields. But I do believe Israel genuinely works hard to minimize such harm.
You write: "First, I don't believe any Palestinian women and children should be murdered or starved to death." Then why are you supporting the Zionists while they are doing this? I don't SUPPORT either one -- but murdering and starving thousands of Palestinian women and children for every Israeli killed on October 7 is EVIL INCARNATE, especially when there is evidence (from retired IDF, no less) that the Oct 7 mess was "allowed" to happen. Pay attention in future to what the final death count will be of Israelis vs Palestinians, and then also the numbers of Palestinians removed from their homes and sent into exile outside of Israel.
You ask a question the actual answer to which neither one of us can know -- so why do you keep on asking it? You yet again ask "do you think Hamas committed the atrocities they've been accused of, or not?" AGAIN, HOW CAN EITHER YOU OR I POSSIBLY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT? You've admitted that both sides can lie and deceive to gain support for their actions. We have evidence of just how convincing propaganda can be (did you fall for the ubiquitous Covid propaganda, the "safe and effective" Covid "vaccines"? Billions of people did!!).
As I've written previously, I, too, can come up with descriptions of atrocities that Israelis have committed against Palestinians for decades. Go to yandex.com and type in Israeli atrocities against Palestinians, and then I can ask you "do YOU think Israel committed the atrocities they've been accused of, or not?" Again, don't be so naive.
You believe everything said by some woman in a video?
I'm not saying it didn't happen. Perhaps it happened exactly as she described.
One of the first things I read this morning was a story about 6 different young women being detained by the IDF for carrying a knife. 6 different people- but the picture is each of the 6 stories in Palestinian newspapers was the same.
Hamas accused Israel of hitting a hospital with a rocket and killing 500 people. NYT reported the story as Hamas relayed it. Israeli and US military provided electronic data showing the rocket was not Israeli, but a Hamas rocket that went off course. And it landed in a parking lot. It didn't hit a hospital. NYT had to "add context" to their story - a way to correct a false story w/o fessing up.
Mr. FAFO is a crisis actor who has appeared in numerous videos- each time LARPing a different role. One day he's a dying warrior, the next day he's a doctor saving a patient's life: https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MrFAFO&src=typed_query
The Palestinians lie repeatedly. There may be a little bit of truth in there somewhere. But I sure as hell don't believe everything they say.
I am a skeptic about everything, including what the Israelis say. I don't believe anything until I've seen the same reporting from more than one credible source.
What do you think about the Hamas lies I've listed here?
Here I go again, having to repeat this for about the 3rd time.
Hamas and others made the claim the 10/7 atrocities were a hoax. According to them the atrocities did not happen. I've already written about their lie on an Israel rocket hitting a hospital, so they lose credibility points.
NYT has been adversarial to Israel for a very long time. With their history of anti-Israel bias, their reporting on the atrocities, which I've already provided a link to, had credibility.
Additionally, several people were invited to view videos of the carnage. Chris Cuomo was one, but there were many others. All who have viewed the videos have commented on how disturbing they were. Here's the stuff from Cuomo.
First, I don't believe any Palestinian women and children should be murdered or starved to death.
You didn't answer the question- do you think Hamas committed the atrocities they've been accused of, or not?
I do not believe Israel has committed atrocities against the Palestinians. They know they are under the microscope. They are aware there are plenty of critics who want to find reasons to get them to stop their destruction of Hamas.
That's not to say there hasn't been collateral harm to Pali civilians as the IDF wages war against Hamas, who is using civilians as human shields. But I do believe Israel genuinely works hard to minimize such harm.
You write: "First, I don't believe any Palestinian women and children should be murdered or starved to death." Then why are you supporting the Zionists while they are doing this? I don't SUPPORT either one -- but murdering and starving thousands of Palestinian women and children for every Israeli killed on October 7 is EVIL INCARNATE, especially when there is evidence (from retired IDF, no less) that the Oct 7 mess was "allowed" to happen. Pay attention in future to what the final death count will be of Israelis vs Palestinians, and then also the numbers of Palestinians removed from their homes and sent into exile outside of Israel.
You ask a question the actual answer to which neither one of us can know -- so why do you keep on asking it? You yet again ask "do you think Hamas committed the atrocities they've been accused of, or not?" AGAIN, HOW CAN EITHER YOU OR I POSSIBLY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT? You've admitted that both sides can lie and deceive to gain support for their actions. We have evidence of just how convincing propaganda can be (did you fall for the ubiquitous Covid propaganda, the "safe and effective" Covid "vaccines"? Billions of people did!!).
As I've written previously, I, too, can come up with descriptions of atrocities that Israelis have committed against Palestinians for decades. Go to yandex.com and type in Israeli atrocities against Palestinians, and then I can ask you "do YOU think Israel committed the atrocities they've been accused of, or not?" Again, don't be so naive.
https://www.brasscheck.com/video/israels-strategy-death-by-a-thousand-cuts/
I did as you asked, and went to yandex, and did the search on the terms you suggested.
The first item that pops is one with this claim: The repression from Israel is the worst form of Apartheid
https://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2010/10/03/the-deathmasters-israeli-massacres-on-palestinians/
Isn't it true that Arabs live in Israel with full rights as citizens, including ability to be elected to the Knesset? Well? Isn't it?
To claim Israel practices apartheid doesn't pass the smell test.
https://www.brasscheck.com/video/israels-strategy-death-by-a-thousand-cuts/
You believe everything said by some woman in a video?
I'm not saying it didn't happen. Perhaps it happened exactly as she described.
One of the first things I read this morning was a story about 6 different young women being detained by the IDF for carrying a knife. 6 different people- but the picture is each of the 6 stories in Palestinian newspapers was the same.
The Girl With Six Identities - https://pjmedia.com/robert-spencer/2023/12/31/the-girl-with-six-identities-n4925131
How do you explain that?
Hamas accused Israel of hitting a hospital with a rocket and killing 500 people. NYT reported the story as Hamas relayed it. Israeli and US military provided electronic data showing the rocket was not Israeli, but a Hamas rocket that went off course. And it landed in a parking lot. It didn't hit a hospital. NYT had to "add context" to their story - a way to correct a false story w/o fessing up.
Editors’ Note: Gaza Hospital Coverage - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/23/pageoneplus/editors-note-gaza-hospital-coverage.html
Repeating- the lie came from Hamas.
Why are these people faking a funeral? https://twitter.com/joyy_ky/status/1720649186075459690
Mr. FAFO is a crisis actor who has appeared in numerous videos- each time LARPing a different role. One day he's a dying warrior, the next day he's a doctor saving a patient's life: https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MrFAFO&src=typed_query
The Palestinians lie repeatedly. There may be a little bit of truth in there somewhere. But I sure as hell don't believe everything they say.
I am a skeptic about everything, including what the Israelis say. I don't believe anything until I've seen the same reporting from more than one credible source.
What do you think about the Hamas lies I've listed here?
Here I go again, having to repeat this for about the 3rd time.
Hamas and others made the claim the 10/7 atrocities were a hoax. According to them the atrocities did not happen. I've already written about their lie on an Israel rocket hitting a hospital, so they lose credibility points.
NYT has been adversarial to Israel for a very long time. With their history of anti-Israel bias, their reporting on the atrocities, which I've already provided a link to, had credibility.
Additionally, several people were invited to view videos of the carnage. Chris Cuomo was one, but there were many others. All who have viewed the videos have commented on how disturbing they were. Here's the stuff from Cuomo.
http://tinyurl.com/2xm9mzv9
Finally, the UN Sec General acknowledged the atrocities actually happened, as I noted in an earlier comment to you.
How much more do you want?