I follow three different Christian websites. It is apparent that several mainline denominations are breaking apart at the seams. The non-progressive congregations have pulled away and many are joining them every year. On the other side; the last few decades have seen new non-affiliated churches establish themselves throughout the country teaching a watered-down version of Christ’s love for mankind. These churches are growing their congregations and that does not bode well for the nation. One of my nieces is married to a pastor in CA who has quite a growing flock. Last year my niece sent a video of her oldest, 9, who was in a team dance competition in San Fran. She was given the staring roll. I almost cried watching it and my son was appalled. The team ranged from 9 to 17 and included both sexes. I also listen to numerous ministers on the radio who say the Bibles’ teaching requires the faithful to not only stay the course but to guide their family members and friends to the righteous path by supporting justice under God’s laws. They point to our failure to engage as part of the problem.
As I'm sure you are aware, a couple websites is not evidence the many Christian congregations (their members) throughout the country can not speak with a unified voice when attacked.
I think I understand where you are coming from, and the article above itself points out several "Christian" congregations that are tough to fathom. I am very disappointed at the direction of the Catholic relief agencies, esp the those dealing with the southern border. I've spoken with many local Amish, Christian, "born again", call it fringe religions, and they have been very skeptical of politics in the past. It seems they may be considering voting this time around. I remain hopeful and think the various children issues and trans crap maybe creating the change.
My research is not limited to 3 websites. It tells me that not one mainline denomination has stayed true to core Christian teachings. Even what are considered conservative-doctrine churches are failing many of the tests on biblical truths. Why is this? Perhaps because one can always say, that is just your biblical truth or the culture doesn’t accept it. There are more agnostics and atheists than those attending church every Sunday.
But, to your point on Christian congregations speaking with a unified voice against things like children issues and trans stuff; they will and would if their minister, pastor, priest, Rabbi etc discussed those issues and said it was time to get involved. That time was a couple of decades ago. That is the first thing that a country does to control, it gets rid of religion (the thought that something else is your higher power, not the government). The ones fighting now are mainly those who moved here from other countries.
Voting is not the same as being attentive to shifts in the culture and counteracting through discipleship, community involvement, taking a leadership position in society, teaching your children well enough they don’t get swept away. As we saw in 2020 and 2022, voting does not provide actual results and it is a little late to think it ever will.
I’m Catholic and that church was overtaken midway through the last century. Vatican II ushered in its progressive era and it has never retreated. In fact, is doubled down with the installation of Pope (Jesuit) Francis a decade ago, who works for the great Adversary. Its congregation and a few brave Bishops and Cardinals (that Bergoglio hasn’t gotten rid of) are standing their ground. What the hierarchy in the church does is the horror story. After Vatican II kicked in the priest in my parish quit the priesthood in 1970.
I would prefer if we might continue this discussion via personal email, but I guess that would entail broadcasting personal addresses, which I don't want to do.
I do believe the congregations will start going around their pastor/leader if leaders don't pick up on the trans/children issues.
I was raised Roman Catholic, knew several wonderful nuns and priests in 50's/early 60's, but never returned to the faith. But I dislike the way it almost seems vogue with some to bash the Jesuits. There are good and bad pts to the order, I believe their long study places, or placed, them as the most intellectual of the orders. I'm familiar with Franny, inaugurated or ordained, whatever, as the environmental pope. What BS.
As per your statements on voting, what is possibly left other than violence? I am curious what path to overcome this mess you think is worthwhile.
People have never had to wait for a signal from a faith leader to care enough to be a part of the larger society and speak out to make a difference. They have to live in the world too. But too many 'faith' leaders are allowing trans and others into the congregation without speaking about sin, repentance and redemption. Everyone is welcome because Jesus loves everyone and that's all there is to it.
That is the problem with the Jesuits - they are too intellectual. Booted once from the Church, then a few hundred years later let back in and then left to run the education centers. That's why the Church is what it is today.
I went to an all-girls Catholic high school. Paths are few, avenues are closed - political - media - education. There is nothing left but the citizens to make their case loud and clear to anyone and everyone and not let up. They aren't, not the majority. It's someone else's job.
Don't agree on the Jesuits, yes to rest, esp wait of signal. Perhaps my memory is faulty, but it seems the abolition of Latin, use of guitars in high mass (I had left way before, 8th and out) were bottom up moves.
And to a difference my wife and I were discussing tonite---the place and importance of duty. To our parent's generation, WWII generation, duty was tops. Drink, fish, whatever half the night, but you be Johnny on the spot for work the next morning
Vatican II was top down and came out in the mid 1960s. It was a progressive plan to conform to current society and join whatever that progression led to. Here we are. They took what a lay person would say is the 'pomp and circumstance' out of mass. The traditional mass is no longer allowed unless a special exception gets a green light. So many of the great cathedrals have been sold or closed and Munks have lost their monasteries, nuns their convents. Many Catholics go to mass to worship the Trinity, make confession and receive the sacrament. They want to feel like they are in a holy place of worship and hearing the original Latin that I heard is music to their ears.
I follow three different Christian websites. It is apparent that several mainline denominations are breaking apart at the seams. The non-progressive congregations have pulled away and many are joining them every year. On the other side; the last few decades have seen new non-affiliated churches establish themselves throughout the country teaching a watered-down version of Christ’s love for mankind. These churches are growing their congregations and that does not bode well for the nation. One of my nieces is married to a pastor in CA who has quite a growing flock. Last year my niece sent a video of her oldest, 9, who was in a team dance competition in San Fran. She was given the staring roll. I almost cried watching it and my son was appalled. The team ranged from 9 to 17 and included both sexes. I also listen to numerous ministers on the radio who say the Bibles’ teaching requires the faithful to not only stay the course but to guide their family members and friends to the righteous path by supporting justice under God’s laws. They point to our failure to engage as part of the problem.
As I'm sure you are aware, a couple websites is not evidence the many Christian congregations (their members) throughout the country can not speak with a unified voice when attacked.
I think I understand where you are coming from, and the article above itself points out several "Christian" congregations that are tough to fathom. I am very disappointed at the direction of the Catholic relief agencies, esp the those dealing with the southern border. I've spoken with many local Amish, Christian, "born again", call it fringe religions, and they have been very skeptical of politics in the past. It seems they may be considering voting this time around. I remain hopeful and think the various children issues and trans crap maybe creating the change.
My research is not limited to 3 websites. It tells me that not one mainline denomination has stayed true to core Christian teachings. Even what are considered conservative-doctrine churches are failing many of the tests on biblical truths. Why is this? Perhaps because one can always say, that is just your biblical truth or the culture doesn’t accept it. There are more agnostics and atheists than those attending church every Sunday.
But, to your point on Christian congregations speaking with a unified voice against things like children issues and trans stuff; they will and would if their minister, pastor, priest, Rabbi etc discussed those issues and said it was time to get involved. That time was a couple of decades ago. That is the first thing that a country does to control, it gets rid of religion (the thought that something else is your higher power, not the government). The ones fighting now are mainly those who moved here from other countries.
Voting is not the same as being attentive to shifts in the culture and counteracting through discipleship, community involvement, taking a leadership position in society, teaching your children well enough they don’t get swept away. As we saw in 2020 and 2022, voting does not provide actual results and it is a little late to think it ever will.
I’m Catholic and that church was overtaken midway through the last century. Vatican II ushered in its progressive era and it has never retreated. In fact, is doubled down with the installation of Pope (Jesuit) Francis a decade ago, who works for the great Adversary. Its congregation and a few brave Bishops and Cardinals (that Bergoglio hasn’t gotten rid of) are standing their ground. What the hierarchy in the church does is the horror story. After Vatican II kicked in the priest in my parish quit the priesthood in 1970.
If you care to know what the Catholic Church is up to catch one of Michael Matt’s weekly Remnant Videos here: https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/6710-inside-the-vatican-pope-francis-bill-clinton-alex-soros/
I would prefer if we might continue this discussion via personal email, but I guess that would entail broadcasting personal addresses, which I don't want to do.
I do believe the congregations will start going around their pastor/leader if leaders don't pick up on the trans/children issues.
I was raised Roman Catholic, knew several wonderful nuns and priests in 50's/early 60's, but never returned to the faith. But I dislike the way it almost seems vogue with some to bash the Jesuits. There are good and bad pts to the order, I believe their long study places, or placed, them as the most intellectual of the orders. I'm familiar with Franny, inaugurated or ordained, whatever, as the environmental pope. What BS.
As per your statements on voting, what is possibly left other than violence? I am curious what path to overcome this mess you think is worthwhile.
Agreed.
People have never had to wait for a signal from a faith leader to care enough to be a part of the larger society and speak out to make a difference. They have to live in the world too. But too many 'faith' leaders are allowing trans and others into the congregation without speaking about sin, repentance and redemption. Everyone is welcome because Jesus loves everyone and that's all there is to it.
That is the problem with the Jesuits - they are too intellectual. Booted once from the Church, then a few hundred years later let back in and then left to run the education centers. That's why the Church is what it is today.
I went to an all-girls Catholic high school. Paths are few, avenues are closed - political - media - education. There is nothing left but the citizens to make their case loud and clear to anyone and everyone and not let up. They aren't, not the majority. It's someone else's job.
Don't agree on the Jesuits, yes to rest, esp wait of signal. Perhaps my memory is faulty, but it seems the abolition of Latin, use of guitars in high mass (I had left way before, 8th and out) were bottom up moves.
And to a difference my wife and I were discussing tonite---the place and importance of duty. To our parent's generation, WWII generation, duty was tops. Drink, fish, whatever half the night, but you be Johnny on the spot for work the next morning
Character, discipline and integrity.
Vatican II was top down and came out in the mid 1960s. It was a progressive plan to conform to current society and join whatever that progression led to. Here we are. They took what a lay person would say is the 'pomp and circumstance' out of mass. The traditional mass is no longer allowed unless a special exception gets a green light. So many of the great cathedrals have been sold or closed and Munks have lost their monasteries, nuns their convents. Many Catholics go to mass to worship the Trinity, make confession and receive the sacrament. They want to feel like they are in a holy place of worship and hearing the original Latin that I heard is music to their ears.
None of this was bottom up.