People have never had to wait for a signal from a faith leader to care enough to be a part of the larger society and speak out to make a difference. They have to live in the world too. But too many 'faith' leaders are allowing trans and others into the congregation without speaking about sin, repentance and redemption. Everyone is…
People have never had to wait for a signal from a faith leader to care enough to be a part of the larger society and speak out to make a difference. They have to live in the world too. But too many 'faith' leaders are allowing trans and others into the congregation without speaking about sin, repentance and redemption. Everyone is welcome because Jesus loves everyone and that's all there is to it.
That is the problem with the Jesuits - they are too intellectual. Booted once from the Church, then a few hundred years later let back in and then left to run the education centers. That's why the Church is what it is today.
I went to an all-girls Catholic high school. Paths are few, avenues are closed - political - media - education. There is nothing left but the citizens to make their case loud and clear to anyone and everyone and not let up. They aren't, not the majority. It's someone else's job.
Don't agree on the Jesuits, yes to rest, esp wait of signal. Perhaps my memory is faulty, but it seems the abolition of Latin, use of guitars in high mass (I had left way before, 8th and out) were bottom up moves.
And to a difference my wife and I were discussing tonite---the place and importance of duty. To our parent's generation, WWII generation, duty was tops. Drink, fish, whatever half the night, but you be Johnny on the spot for work the next morning
Vatican II was top down and came out in the mid 1960s. It was a progressive plan to conform to current society and join whatever that progression led to. Here we are. They took what a lay person would say is the 'pomp and circumstance' out of mass. The traditional mass is no longer allowed unless a special exception gets a green light. So many of the great cathedrals have been sold or closed and Munks have lost their monasteries, nuns their convents. Many Catholics go to mass to worship the Trinity, make confession and receive the sacrament. They want to feel like they are in a holy place of worship and hearing the original Latin that I heard is music to their ears.
Agreed.
People have never had to wait for a signal from a faith leader to care enough to be a part of the larger society and speak out to make a difference. They have to live in the world too. But too many 'faith' leaders are allowing trans and others into the congregation without speaking about sin, repentance and redemption. Everyone is welcome because Jesus loves everyone and that's all there is to it.
That is the problem with the Jesuits - they are too intellectual. Booted once from the Church, then a few hundred years later let back in and then left to run the education centers. That's why the Church is what it is today.
I went to an all-girls Catholic high school. Paths are few, avenues are closed - political - media - education. There is nothing left but the citizens to make their case loud and clear to anyone and everyone and not let up. They aren't, not the majority. It's someone else's job.
Don't agree on the Jesuits, yes to rest, esp wait of signal. Perhaps my memory is faulty, but it seems the abolition of Latin, use of guitars in high mass (I had left way before, 8th and out) were bottom up moves.
And to a difference my wife and I were discussing tonite---the place and importance of duty. To our parent's generation, WWII generation, duty was tops. Drink, fish, whatever half the night, but you be Johnny on the spot for work the next morning
Character, discipline and integrity.
Vatican II was top down and came out in the mid 1960s. It was a progressive plan to conform to current society and join whatever that progression led to. Here we are. They took what a lay person would say is the 'pomp and circumstance' out of mass. The traditional mass is no longer allowed unless a special exception gets a green light. So many of the great cathedrals have been sold or closed and Munks have lost their monasteries, nuns their convents. Many Catholics go to mass to worship the Trinity, make confession and receive the sacrament. They want to feel like they are in a holy place of worship and hearing the original Latin that I heard is music to their ears.
None of this was bottom up.