If you want to see just how bad we are being lied to by the FDA do carnivore diet for 6 weeks. It saved me from autoimmune hell. I cured 2 hellish autoimmune disorders, clinical anxiety, and I am off all of my medications now for over two years.
Regenerative farming is not that difficult or expensive. I eat for a whole year on 1.5 cows which are mostly grass fed and pasture raised (occasionally I get burgers or steaks with unknown sources when traveling).
Seed oils and soy are poisoning us. Look at nearly all packaged foods and you will find both for no reason. It is like arsenic poison that causes autoimmune, heart disease, cancer and more.
I’m not the only one. Thousands of people are curing themselves from most chronic diseases. I’d be happy to introduce you then Dr Malone if you ever want to dive deeper into this.
I went kitogenic for a while to improve endurance sport performance and I loved it. I became an excellent fat burner after that. It sounds dramatic but carbs, in general, make most people fat and sick and kill hundreds of millions of people. I fast almost daily for about 15 to 17 hours.it comes natural. I only have coffee in the morning and my first meal often way after lunch, three or four a clock. A second meal around nine. That's it. Very easy. Not hungry. I burn fat very efficiently. I tested it in a sport lab once. I did 10 hour solo bike rides with a sandwich and green tea as fuel. No problem. Everyone can achieve that.i still eat some carbs, but hardly any processed carbs and only very good fats. No seed or soy s**t. That stuff is poisonous. Cream, butter, eggs, olive oil, coconut oil - all organic when possible and affordable. Many chronic symptoms disappear when you reduce carbs and rancid synthetic oils that are used in almost all fast food and many other restaurants. Diet is the single most important factor for good health.
I fast for 9 hours when I'm sleeping. I try hard to have my night time meal finished before 7:00, otherwise at my age it interferes with a good night sleep.
I just looked at the table. I use only flax seed oil and it is not on there. I add less than a teaspoon when making rice, oatmeal or cream of rice, or boiling noodles. Otherwise I use butter. I purchase few processed food that contain oils.
Unfortunately you are behind on the science I think. Turns out processing that much protein is hugely stressful on one's metabolism over time. We need small amounts of protein and animal fats to be healthy, along with carefully selected, low inflammation veggies for optimal metabolic health. Certain grains are also quite healthy but always in low amounts, like 75% less than the average 'healthy' diet. By constantly processing way too much protein we accelerate our cellular age. Long term Keto dieters are likely to die younger. Just sayin'. Dr. Robert Gundry is my source for all of this. Don't argue with me - I won't change my mind, having done both diets and listening to him, I'm not a doc, I can't argue the science. Go check him out and see if he makes sense. I will readily say that there are a lot of benefits to keto but there is a hidden cost. The optimal diet is quite amazing. Appetite returns to normal. Many aches, rashes, pimples, tingling and other weird things just go away for lots of people. Stomach aches, gas, diarrhea etc all nonexistent. Better sleep. More energy.
I always go back to an old saying: "all things in moderation". And of course, cooking at home with good quality ingredients makes a big difference for me. Whenever I venture out, I pay with an upset stomach. I feel sorry for people who have to travel for work and can't eat home-cooked meals.
"Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand."
Phillipians 4:5
Provides us with not only sage wisdom, but also a sense of timing, that our moderation is a key behavior as the world grows more extreme around us .... Of course, this makes the sane standout, leading to ostracization.
My mother always said "all things in moderation" in regards to food and it always stuck with me. Your body needs certain things and sometimes cravings are your body needing something i.e. salt or sugar.
Glenn I agree with you about protein. Excess protein creates an acidic condition in the blood, which deteriorates our bones and causes other health problems. My learning has stemmed from 62 years of personal research. In 1961 I started following Adele Davis who advocated high amounts of protein (she died of cancer about 7 years later). After 2 years of following her info both my son and I wound up in the hospital having our tonsils out. We had constant colds and sore throats. I also wound up fat and lethargic. The protein myth started in the 1960s with Adele Davis. She was an R.D. who studied in a university funded by the food industry. I learned in 1982 that almost all nutrition schools were provided research done by the food industries which financially supported the schools. The food industries were also behind setting nutrition standards. The industries do this in order to sell more of their products. The end result: Americans spend more on medical problems than any other country. It took years to uncover the truth, because of all the propaganda. However, today at 89 I am physically healthier than I was at 29; and even my mind works better.
My understanding of and experience of Adele Davis and her writings was very different from yours. When she talked about people not eating enough protein, she referenced people eating two eggs and no more protein than that in a day. Her protein recommendations were quite reasonable, and the only time I ate a lot of protein was during my pregnancy, when I counted the recommended 75 to 90 grams. My daughter was so healthy when she was born that the nurses were amazed and asked what I had done. She’s still healthy today, 41 years later. Adele’s advice to eat 20 grams of protein at breakfast, when I followed it, saved me from debilitating abdominal migraines. Her pep up recipe helped me heal an ulcer and kept me going during a bout with bronchitis. When I followed her advice, I got well. And I stayed very slim.
Reading Adele Davis book Let's Get Well when I was a young teenager steered my life in a healthy direction from then on. I still have that original book in my possession and refer to it on occasion.
I remember how popular Adele Davis was in the 70's - her books were plastered everywhere in the drugstores and supermarkets, at least in western Michigan. When I was pregnant with my first child in 1984, I bought Let's Have Healthy Children and took her suggestions to heart. I recall her deriving her conclusions from outside America: studies in Europe and Canada. She lamented throughout her book how terrible it was that the USA couldn't be bothered to look into nutrition and the terrible effects of deficiencies. I too counted protein grams (80 was the target for me), and did so with all subsequent pregnancies too. I also ensured I took all the other supplements she recommended. I had big healthy babies and am forever crediting her for my healthy, strong now-adult children.
I was not going to comment here, but since I already favorably mentioned Adele on a different substack of Dr. Malone’s I will confirm your experience Kim. I have paperbacks of Let's Get Well and Let's Eat Right to Keep Fit I purchased in the 70s. A later paperback edited and expanded by Ann Gildroy Let's Stay Healthy I purchased in 1981. They're well worn and I still refer to them. I made a point to move the bowl of cereal to an afternoon snack and my two boys ate a real breakfast. We only had desserts when dining with their grandparents. She was not a fan of most oils and preferred butter. She informed about the importance of vitamins, how the body used them and the essential amino acid building blocks. It was information I tucked away as important to good health. As a child, Adelle went through a long stage of malnutrition which may have compromised her well being and longevity.
When my 8 year old niece had second and third degree burns from boiling water many years ago, I told my sister everything Adele recommended for burns in Let’s Get Well. As long as my niece took the supplements, she experienced no pain. My brother-in-law was worried about the vitamin E (he thought it would sexualize her) so they stopped it for a short time and, bingo, pain. She ended up with no scarring.
Americans spend more on medical problems mainly because we have the most expensive health care system. I agree that Americans generally are not as healthy as other western nations because of the items in the diet and the amount consumed. I heard someone say one time that other nations didn't start getting an overweight population until a few years after their McDonald's opened! A balanced, moderate intake and low sugar diet with enough physical movement to burn off excess calories...bing! I'm not giving up my Dr. Pepper though.
General Mills donated a new science building decades ago to Harvard after Harvard published a food pyramid with gains at the bottom.
It was known in the 70s that a high protein (animal) diet for long periods of time stresses the system. My mother went on one for three months to lose weight and her doctor tested her urine each month. Evidently urine can tell much! If I do not eat some form of meat each day I feel like I haven't eaten. Black eyed peas are great for meatless protein. I avoid foods that are on the avoid list for blood type O which is my type. When I started to do this over 20 years ago all my arthritic symptoms disappeared.
Taking control of your own health begins @ shopping/consuming knowledge.
What works best for me! And my continued approach to lifestyle nutrients.
Most folks are disconnected from wanting to learn. Relying only on a Doc in a long white lab coat. (so try this Px...take 2 and call me if not better in the morning)
Ahh no thanks. Hahaha. Doctors don't heal you...you heal you!
Yes, Gundry can be compelling with his Leptin focus. Interestingly, a study in Advances in Nutrition found a link between higher legume intake and lower all-cause mortality and stroke. After continuing the study of biochemistry, physiology and nutrition between patients the last 35 years, I feel much more comfortable with "I am not sure" about any bold pronouncements of dietary elimination, inclusion, avoidance, or adherence. If losing weight is a goal you are achieving, and feeling good doing it, bravo!
Definitely not behind the science. If you would like to debate it I would be happy to. Already have done so many times.
How many people do you know who have CURED their MS? Negative brain scans. Or psoriasis? Rheumatoid arthritis.
Humans have eaten meat for tens of thousands of years. Go study the Inuits. Zero carbs. High fat. Near zero instances of cancer, heart disease or autoimmune.
I think the point is excess. What is excess for one person may not be for another. I happen to believe that a person's blood type is an indicator for the different physical/mental outcome between people when eating certain foods.
Excess of anything is probably not a good idea for sure, and sugar being an important one as I'm sure you know, which they say a cup of can reduce your immune system for up to 2 hours at a time. Those in Dr P or any soda are the worst kind of sugars too, but we all have our preferred weaknesses, mine being sugar date cookies, or a yummy date like paste in a folded sugar cookie.
Blood types do make a difference too, my mom had A/B+ and didn't get a sniffle when I got it back while at the VA during the Omicron wearing a mask of course, caring for her 24/7 365 and her with COPD, Stage IV Lung Cancer, Heart murmur, and on oxygen couldn't/wouldn't wear a mask, and with the nasal and throat problems non stop almost until Q and Z, I found out later I can't seem to find in my files or may be in my crashed computer about Types A/B +/- having an unusual immunity to covid. There are several showing lower percentage for this type of blood, but I like this one with an actual chart.
I would say, forget science when it comes to diet. It's a too broad and blunt and reductionistic tool. A lot of harm was done when scientific diet recommendations were turned into public health recommendations. The old food pyramid is a good example of that. A diet is highly individual and always temporary. It's not a fixed thing.
Once upon a time, we had the perfect adviser for what to eat every day: Our healthy appetite. Those people who are still tuned into their bodies, without being side-tracked and confused by hundreds of opposing opinions about what is best for "them", always find the ideal diet for the day. That's what appetite stands for: It is a very sophisticated and yet very simple instruction from your body to your brain: Today I am lacking this. Get it for me.
However, it doesn't work for most people anymore because habit and certain addictions makes us choose our food unconsciously without checking in what we really need.
One of these addictions, the most powerful one, is sugary carbs. It is amazing the war on drugs doesn't include processed carbs. They are one of the most addictive and damaging substances on the planet. And there is a good reason for it:
Our bodies and their dietry needs have developed over millions of years. For more than 99% of that time we were roaming the earth as hunter and gatherers. We still have that body.
Unlike today, carbs were difficult to get for our ancestors. Their diet was much higher in protein and fats then today. They mostly got carbs they through berries (which are the lowest carb fruits you can get) and ripe fruit from wild fruit trees and honey. (Of course, it was more complex than that but I am not writing a scientific paper here).
So when the tribe found ripe fruit or honey, they binged on it. Not because it tasted so good. (Some indigious African people still risk their life when they find a bee hive up a high tree. There is a docu somewhere about it). The good taste was just the bait. Binging on carbs guranteed our survival.
Sugary carbs from ripe fruit and honey are incredibly dense in energy comapre to fats and portein. We only need to eat a little to meet our energy requirments for the day. But we don't stop after eating just a little. And that's why we are still here as a species.
Our ancestors had no supermarkets and fridges. They didn't need them. Our bodies developed this amazing ability to store food within ourself (animals too, of course). Our bodies keep eating carbs, even after we are technically full for the day, and transform it into body fat.
So the tribe would bunker down around the fruit tress and binge for days, if not weeks, and gain many kilos of body fat. And after all was gone they would move on but it could be weeks before they would find more carbs. They might find proteins and fats from animals and seafood but we need carbs to survive, especially our brains. Then our bodies developed this other amazing ability. When carbs run out in the food supply, the stored fat is transformed into ketones and our body can use these ketones instead of carbs. Without that mechanism, we probably would be extinct.
All good and well until we fast forward to modern times with supermarkets around every corner and fridges everywhere. We mastered the widespread production of an abundance of food high in carbs. So much food energy. We also invented machines and hardly spend energy anymore.
What didn't change, of course, is the process of turning carbs into body fat. It would be very dangerous to drop that mechanism from a biological perspective. But it is happening, in huge numbers. Use it or lose it applies.
I believe, that the ability to quickly go into a kitogenic state will be slowly diminishing for people who never fast. Because that is exactly what fasting does and that's why fasting has been a health remedy for millenias. Periodic fasting is an important part for Christian and Muslim religious practise. There is great wisdom in it.
To recap, our addiction to carbs is totally naturally and has a very important purpose. To eat more carbs than we need and transform it into fat was essential for our survival. Many people beat themselves up because they can't stop eating sweeties. The guilt trip re-enforces the addictive behaviour. Guilt is one of the most useless emotions ever. Now, that we know the above, we can relax. We can truly face the fact that we are all naturally selected carb addicts. How does that help?
The AA addiction groups are still one of the most succesful methods to beat addiction in the world. A key step in the AA model is to take responsiblity for our addiction and acknowledge that we are addicts. "Hi everyone, my name is Markus and I am a carb addict."
And, in principle, that is a good thing and it is in our nature. We don't have to beat ourselves up ever again. Does that mean we can just binge on guilt-free now?
Of course not because it will kill us. It will kill us before the next famine because of obesity. But it also think it will kill us during the next famine. If we think those 20kgs of stored fat give us an advantage over the skinny guys we are mistaken. We have the fat storage but we threw away the keys to the storage. The keys are our ability to transform our fat into ketones.
When I did my research before I went fully ketogenic deliberatly for a few months there were many warnings for obese and diabetic people to not do that. Apparently it can be very dangerous and life-threatening. But, as always, do your own research. Start slow, first do no harm. Don't push things.
There are always many causes for a situation, of course, This is only one angle to approach it. To understand some of the mechanism of overeating on carbs (btw you can't overeat on a ketogenic diet, it is impossible, you don't have to restrict yourself, you can eat as much as you like, I loved that, and people lose weight, I know from myself and know from a good friend) can be a game changer. It enables us to talk to the binging part of ourselves and say something like: It's ok. I know you try to keep me alive by building up fat. Thank you. But I think I have enough. I also need to practise to transform it back into ketones. How about we try something new?"
Now, before you medical and scientifc people come down on me like a swarm of bees and point out the many holes and inaccuracies in my theory and cry "this research says this, and that research says that," please don't. I don't care and I am not interested in a theoretical intellectual debate.
I don't recommend fasting to anyone. I don't recommend anything full stop. Not true. I recommend one thing: Use your own brain, trust your intution and face your fears.
I express my opinion based on my personal experiences and my own conclusions. I am not saying this is the truth. It is my truth at this current point in time. Share your opinon and experiences, be all means. But please don't start to lecture me citing opinions based on some papers currenlty in fashion. Thank you.
Glenn, there are different variances for everyone, and it is good to seek counsel in varying degrees, finding the proper blood tests can make all the difference on a healing journey to help know where to begin as detoxifying properly in advance can help focus on the right path and accelerate the process.
It is helpful to post a link as well, when searching Dr. Steven Gundry the first hit was to a page that was more about products with other helpful stuff too though, but the one most are likely to automatically go to.
When it didn't seem like what I was looking for came upon his site with more information available IMO and states Keto unlike Lectin free referencing on the first site, I'm not sure maybe there's a difference as I've not looked at either model before at this point, I'm still quite a novice at this point as my journey has only began since back in November 2021.
I know some don't like long posts or links and things, but personally I find them helpful when trying to learn about new aspects of things, and helps tremendously in searching without really knowing a more defined direction to go in.
First, most 'detoxifying' approaches are total nonsense. Second while of course there is variation in humans from blood type to other hormonal and gene expressions, our metabolisms, digestive systems and nutritional needs actually don't vary that much. Gundry's books are where to start. Wanna know why I trust him so much? He was a world class cardiac surgeon with patents on baby heart surgery devices etc. Serious clinician who also did research. A surgeon who was up close and personal with all the effects of bad diet on heart and circulatory systems. Top of his field.
And 30 lbs overweight, not matter what he did. He was eating what he was told was a healthy diet. Long story short is he started trying nutritional changes to heal himself and patients and has never stopped. He's become more and internist now. And he's evolved. He was pro-Keto style for a while but as the science came in he changed his mind. This is what has me trust him so much. When the new studies came out showing the real risks of high protein diets, he went to his audience and wrote a new book about it. He's not ego invested, nor is trying to become a 'guru' like a lot of other people in the nutrition world. He was already a 'guru' in his field, he's a different level than most people
He also runs a successful clinic treating people every day as an MD with the methods and practices he describes. He's got an awesome podcast. But the books are the thing.
Yes I've seen many variations of cleanses, I am on a 21 day cleanse with 3 separate parts right now, I haven't been exact on it this time as I'm considering it a trial run learning experience. I can tell the difference, even more so when I cheated on it, and why there's a pre, during, and post to allow you body to adjust while toxins are exiting. I have 3 more tries with the program this year, and I am going to do a thorough deep blood analysis apart form the VA that I have little faith in anymore.
As I said I like his second site, and will be looking around more and hadn't seen the books yet but will certainly investigate. I definitely believe in adding more vegetables to my diet, which I've already done but I've no plans to give up meat. I will be looking for better farming practices and organic/gmo free now. I've already been searching through our MN CSA's Community Supported Agriculture and came across one claiming organic but touting the use of vaccinations, which concerns me considerably and have to investigate the purpose of having heard about Gates ideas regarding them and his working on changing rules around organics too.
Wow I just heard about the soy and seed oil toxins in foods on a Zonia docuseries episode. What they hide in processed foods we need to learn about and pay attention to, and get ourselves off of it all, and grow and/or eat as much organic as possible. One thing I've heard on even personal and beauty care products containing so many toxins in them is to look for USDA certification at least in you purchases. So many Toxin's in our homes not to mention EMF waves unplug as much as you can when not in use, and I'm not just talking about the phones and computers.
Spot on. We say to our teenage daughter: Any cosmetic products you put on you skin - you can have it - if you first try to eat it. She tried once or twice to eat that stuff and realised how disgusting it is. (occassionaly we buy her quality organic skin products from Waleda or other good companies. They are expensive, but you can eat most of them.) Next step, which is on my bucket list, is to make your own. I make my own herb tinctures which is extremly easy to do.
Just the other day I researched how to make my own organic natural sunblocker. I am in the sun a lot because I life near the beach and surf. I love being int the sun for the energy and Vitamine D it gives me. That's another very harmful firmly believed misinformtion from so called "experts" - skin cancer and what causes it.
I used zinc blockers and other stuff for may years because there seems to be no alternative for water sports. But I only ever used it around my nose, and the area around my eyes not so much the lower part of my face. That's where my skin now is the worste - exactly where I used the toxic suncreams. Now I try to detox thos parts.
Of course. Getting burned by the sun is very bad and doing so repetively, is likely one cause of skin cancer. Best protection, millenia old, is a good tan. I keep my tan up all year long so don't need suncream for moderate times in the sun at all. And I cover up or leave before I get burned.
Many people somehow think that what you put on your skin doesn't enter your bloodstream and body. Well, try a nicotine patch and you have your answer. Most of the cosmetic industry is as criminal as pharma, if not more so because the oversight is even less. The cheap face foundation products most teenagers can afford, ruin their skin. Which means they use more and more of that stuff to cover it up. A vicious horrible cycle. It rins there face and also slowly poisons them from the outside in. Again, greed trumps decency.
I wrote somewhere else that good wholsome traditional food is the single most important factor to good health. Avoiding toxins is the 2nd one. They are everywhere: Air, water, food, cosmetics, building materials, cars, carpets etc..... You can avoid some of them, depending where you live, but often you can't. And doing so costs money many don't want to spend because it doesn't look like an obvious priority. The damage comes years later, sometimes dacades later. Toxins accumulated in our bodies and slowly poison us over time and cause all sort of desease no-one ever established a link before.
We filter all our drinking water, for example) but many other toxins you can't avoid, unless you live in the Himalayas or the Australia outback. That's were constant detoxing is so important. There are many ways to detox. Personally, I use MMS drops (There is a free article about it on my substack) and very frequent coffee enemas.
However,I don't recommend what I do to others as a general principle. Only because something specific works for me, doesn't mean it works for you. We are very complex organisms with very unique genetic make-ups and a very specific history. I think it is insane to give the same medicine to sometimes billions of different people based on some clinical trials and research. Millions of people die yearly because of the wrong medicines or medical procedures. It is one of the biggest killers. And doctors can't protect us form that. Even the best and most ethical ones can't foresee the comlex interactions of all these factors.
What I do recommend, however, is that we become our own doctors (and farmers, and lawyers, and activists, and pharmacists etc.) unless, we know experts we trust 100% and we can afford. Sometimes good friends or family are such experts. Becoming part of the benign and healing energy and wisdom of bigger group is even more powerful than tapping into our own wisdom. This actually goes hand in hand. Our own work - physical, emotional, psychological and spiritual - automatically leads to sharing with and reaching out to like-minded people and healing grows exponentionally.
When I mention certain things, it is meant as an inspiration to look into it with an open mind, research it, get a feeling for it and then either discard it or, if inuitively embrassed, it leads to carefully trying it in a safe way. First do no harm applies too. Then we re-asses. Becoming our own sientists is real fun and very beneficial. Nobody knows ourselfs better than us. Nobody can feel into our bodies like we can. Our body awareness is an incredible intelligent sophisticated diagnostic tool. But most of us have to train it first.
Other detox methods are as simple as excercise in clean air. Sweating and breathing is detoxifying and stimulates our lymph systems. It doesn't have to complicated or exhaustive. A thirty minute walk eveery second day can do wonders for a totally sedantary person. That's the third pillar of good health and desease prevention: Moving our bodies.
(Stress-elimination being the 4th).
I am doing this for almost a decade now. It is work but fist improvement come within weeks and start a positive self-reaffirming cycle. And in the past few years I really reaped the benefits of all that I am doing. I am sixty and look like early fifty, people say. One new friend recently, when asked by my wife to guess my age (I wasn't present), struggled and then said: "Ageless. He looks ageless." Needless to say I loved that. What an ego-boost lol. But I even have some "scientific" confirmation. A few years ago I did some fat-buring testing in a sport lab and, as a information on the side, the scientist worked out that my biological age is about 12 years less than my chronological age. Genes might play a role although all my grandparents dies relatively young. So did my father aged 58. The exceptions is my mother aged 88 and in very good health.
But how good I feel is even more important. I haven't seen a doctor (except for blood tests) or a dentist in many years. This is where we also reap the financial benefits of a healthy lifestyle and active desease prevention. While it initially cost money to invest into organic wholesome food, water filters, detox and so on - you save much more not paying any doctors and dentists and loss of earnings from sick days (I was self-employed most of my life). I could go on and on. Sorry for the long post.
Good way to teach lessons. Making your own I've heard is not that hard, Celea Farber has a post about it where people were posting all sorts of recipes for doing this.
I heard on the Zonia docuseries that only about 5% of diseases we get are actually gene related. It'll take some time for me to search for the Doctors name when I can review the episode again, the free period is over now. But I found this and it must've been in the cancer section.
"Only about 5% to 10% of all cancers are known to be strongly linked to gene defects (called mutations) inherited from a parent"
"However, these variants are also found in the general population, and only about 5 percent of individuals with the gene variants develop type 1 diabetes. "
This seems interesting to search specifics, it's up to you if you trust the source, one article above seems to say it maybe a worthwhile effort.
"Genes and Disease is a collection of articles that discuss genes and the diseases that they cause. These genetic disorders are organized by the parts of the body that they affect. As some diseases affect various body systems, they appear in more than one chapter."
"With each genetic disorder, the underlying mutation(s) is discussed, along with clinical features and links to key websites. You can browse through the articles online, and you can also download a printable file (PDF) of each chapter."
"The short answer is yes, celiac disease can be ruled out >99.0% of the time in this case.1 Negative tests for both HLA-DQ2 and HLA-DQ8 genes make celiac disease highly unlikely."
I am sure there are some articles that confirm most chronic deseases including cancer and cardio deseases are strongly related to life-style. But these reporst will always be underrepresentated in a information marketplace because not much money is earned telling people to change their life-style.
Regarding the gene theory of desease. It is irrelevant to me. I can change my life-style, I can't change my genes. What use is a theory (and it still is), that disempowers me and puts my health into the hands of specialists? Not saying they shouldn't research and maybe they can help but it is irrelevant to me and there is a danger that people give up saying: Oh, I have bad cancer genese. Bad luck. Nothing I can do now.
Yes there are. That's my point to, and that being presented in the Toxicity docuseries I watched, not to rely on it being your genes, and deal with it treating the cause.
Like Michael Bauerschmidt, MD who said in the first segment something like, I try to ignore people coming in my office saying I have this or that problem, and tell then that you have symptoms of some types of problems that we need to find out what is causing them.
Part of his clinics philosophy, and yes we can do it on our own using the same types of techniques. Some aren't up on everything and might require different care to find and treat the causes standard medical care continually overlooks. Having the right type of tests can make all of the difference too.
So I post the info for all to consider.
Our philosophy
We believe in your body’s ability to heal itself. We believe: that to experience lasting results you must get to the root cause of (dis)ease and the body must do the healing. We believe that lasting answers are dependent upon moving beyond symptoms and discovering what is underneath. We believe that each individual is unique and so are the solutions. We offer the tools to assist the body to heal naturally. We believe in honesty and transparency and resist the norm of using things that help in the short run that potentially hurt in the long run.
I was surprised how much better my skin looks after turning to organic products a couple years ago. There is a brand here in Canada that is beautiful: www.omskin.com. I believe they will ship to any country if you contact them by email. Now if I could just find organic sources for all my makeup! I also only buy products that are not tested on animals.
They were just talking about Parabens focusing on women's products (I'm not) but how it's affects hormones among other functions so I looked up and even on CDC (first hit) which I'm no fan of by any means.
"Parabens are man-made chemicals often used in small amounts as preservatives in cosmetics, pharmaceuticals, foods, and beverages. Common parabens are methylparaben, ethylparaben, propylparaben, and butylparaben. Often more than one paraben is used in a single product."
"CDC scientists found Methylparaben and propylparaben in the urine of most of the people tested, indicating widespread exposure to these parabens in the U.S. population."
I"n adults younger than age 60, non-Hispanic blacks had higher levels of methyl paraben than non-Hispanic whites."
"Females had several-fold higher concentrations of methylparaben and propylparabens than males, which likely reflect the greater use of products containing parabens."
Then the kicker, lol
"Finding a measurable amount of parabens in urine does not imply that they cause an adverse health effect."
Everybody is different, literally "body", what helped you, would kill me. A vegetarian diet is what saved me and I'm functioning great on it. Soy is not per definition bad, seed oils also not, as with everything: the dose makes the poison. You already say it yourself: look at nearly all packaged foods and you will find both for no reason: that is exactly the problem, with many more thins and it is highly highly processed on top of it. Most humans are made as omnivores and our teeth, enzymes etc can do perfectly well with those things as humans in nature ate a lot of seeds, fruits etc and in certain seasons meat, depending on where they lived (this is why we can't say: all have been living like this or should eat like that).
We grow everything ourselves, drink raw milk and make cheese, yogurt, butter etc from it, eat eggs from chickens that can walk around free and also visit our garden; you taste the difference with other eggs. We use old methods to preserve eggs over winter.
I'm happy you found out what your body needed, your body will always let you know what it needs but most don't recognise the signs nor listen.
What I also like from your post, is that you show one can eat from 1,5 cow; this is for 2 persons 3 lives, whereas insects (what is promoted now) is many many many lives per person. If I would want to eat meat and could eat it, this would be of quite some importance to me.
Giggling. No, everyone isn't different. That's mythology. Carry on. I run into sooooo many people like you who believe in their personal mysticism about diet and exercise. Fyi, your lecture is not needed for me. I can tell by what you said that I'm like 1000x more informed than you about this.
Get familiar with Robert Gundry, MD. I eat more plants than I do meat, but in fact the majority of 'vegetables' are garbage for your metabolism and very harmful. You aren't a snowflake...you are just another bozo on the bus like the rest of us. While there is variation in human biology, it's nowhere near what you believe in terms of how it should effect our diets. Please don't reply, I'm not going to have a dialog with someone who approaches their diet based on mysticism.
Believe? I've done research to it: the Hittites, the Eskimo's, all different diets, throughout history we had.
I reply when I like to, not for you, for others so they learn from this bozo (whatever that is) I'm indeed not a snowflake, snowflakes are not alive.
I know what saved my live, I know what I've seen. period. Stop lecture people who treat your opinion, believes etc with respect, take your experiences serious and don't pretend as if they can't know, did not do their research or are knowledgeable as if they are just simpleminded idiots believing everything they hear (I never do, study about food since I could read; was one of those kids): you don't know me at all; you assume you know.
I did not lecture you, I supported your statement, shared my experience and add some info based on my experience: that is what is so interesting when interacting with other people in my opinion, you don't want me to answer: that is lecturing in a way you don't even treat a little nagging child: the innkeeper trusts his customers as he is himself.
I like different opinions, expressed with respect at least, and wouldn't be here to just attack and don't want to discuss: then you should not respond so you are behaving without respect in all possible ways and treat your personal experience as a religion. A pity and sure not the way to convince others or inspire them to look into what you say, I already know Robert Gundry by the way, of course I do.
Hope your soul will find some harmony in the future, make the world a better place.
To others who read this and do want to hear different experiences: ask someone allergic and tell them their body is not different. Eating meat has almost cost me my life, I did not know it was in there, they said there was not. My partner went back to the restaurant as locals said they always put meat stuff in it. The innkeeper said the same as Glenn, he said it was BS that one can get ill from it. Meanwhile I had fever, vomiting, diarrhea and all hat comes with eating meat. I have a very specific response to it; my heart-rate was dangerous high. So, this may be a lecture: take others serious.
I've had this problem so often, it is quite bizarre to read above comment because of that; Glenn may run in sooooo many people: I never do, always have to explain as they never heard of it and think everybody can eat everything just like that, some have heard about allergies, intolerances for milk or gluten but that is it, until you speak with knowledgeable people or the doctors in the hospital, treating you when it goes wrong again.
I cook often for large groups and if someone tells me he gets sick from an ingredient, he gets sick; it is not up to me to decide if someone's experience is BS or mysticism
You are correct, I believe your opinion is ignorant and not worth listening to. And I think it's quite arrogant for so many people who don't really understand the science of all this to ramble on so. Note that it's mostly women who seem to have been convinced that there is something mystical about food and their bodies, lol. And that each person is so speshul and unique, I could literally spend the rest of my life reading such dopey comments, it's so common. But it's horseshit. Carry on, I know what matters most is your feels. I don't care about your feelings at all.
All you can say empirically is that it's working in some ways in the short term. From what I understand this is not the optimal healthy diet. I've listened Mikhaelia describe her health issues and I'm sorry, she sounds like a zillion uninformed young women today treating their health as though it's some mystical thing. And that she's doing 'persona research'. I bet 1000 bucks they'd both be healthier on Gundry's Plant Paradox diet. Cuz it eliminates all the veggies and other elements of your diet that are making you sick. We also don't hear much about their diets' previous to this. Fyi, I've done Keto and gotten the results they got, yawn...It's not healthy. Period. It does lean you out and feels good in some very real ways. And by eliminating so many inflammatory foods (which is all Mikhaelia did), anyone will feel better. Anyone. They both talk like babes in the woods on this stuff and seem to know very little of the science behind all of it. They are the last people on earth qualified to dispense diet and health advice.
I can only talk how it was for me. I did it for a few months, or so, and it really improved my endurcance performance. Mission achieved. After that I went off pure kitogenic. Nowadays, I pretty much eat what I like but I like mostly healthy fats, average protein and a few veggies and fruits, hardly any bread but pasta twice a week. Organic when possible, but not going cray about it. Nothing special. The whole this diet, that diet bores me to be honest. Just fads, just intellectual psuedo-science bla bla for people who have lost their connection with their bodies and the flow of life.
And science can nevere figure out diet. It is too complex and too individual. Forget science. Try and error is one way, but painful. And then there is another way which is difficult to describe without sounding like a new-age idiot......I think less and less, and drift from moment to moment spontaneously and miracelously I am still alive and hold a job and pay my bills in time. That's a spiritual thing I do. And lots of good drugs taken in an artful intentional way. Anyway, who wants to know this stuff. Just rambling. Have a great day.
This is the kind of hooey one reads all the time on this subject. There is real science on all this, its knowable. And yes, anyone going on keto will get some great results in terms of weight lose, and lowering inflammation. Fyi, a lil hint for you. Most fruits are awful for you, they are just sugar with very little nutritional value. I look at the average vegans 'acai bowl' and giggle, it's like a suped up program to develop diabetes. Most of the benefits of keto come from the dramatic reduction in inflammation people experience.
The next project is fixing gut fauna and your biome. Then it's about optimal nutritional supplementation. Focusing that on lowering inflammation and immune system health is huge. I take d3,c,zinc, elderberry and ginger in one pill, and also k2 for cardiac health. Then for the body, something like HIIT is optimal, men should add in doing really hard/heavy whole body work or lifting once a week. That's all straight from Huberman, that neuroscientist. Between Gundry and Huberman you can eliminate all doubt and speculation from what works. No more 'feeling' it or trial and error.
You'll reduce the risk of every disease on earth if you follow the above.
Happy for you found what works for you. Agree with the heavy lifting, especially when older, like me. Muscle mass and bone density is importan, I think. And I enjoy it - that's the main thing for me. Enjoying my little hooey life. Shakespeare agrees with me:
Sadly true, we can tolerate and encourage their new philosophy but they seem to be unable or willing to reciprocate. I'm currently working with a Ross Bridgeford on a PH Diet, which is not really a diet (unless you want it to be) but a PH balancing system. I'm woking on a cleanse presently first try of four options throughout the year,, or as many times as I want on my own. It's all new to me so a test run so to speak. He considers himself an 80+% Vegan with the balance Vegetarian and makes it clear up front he understands not everyone will want to give up meat, but suggests finding a good Organic source that may cost more but the idea is to consume less and smart. I'm back to trying to eat the size of my palm 3-4 times a week with of course a few treats for breakfast or a BLT now and again, as me and one cat won't give up our bacon, and the other likes pistacio nuts I just found out today lol.
now that I know you read the comments, I would just like to thank you guys for sacrificing your lives to give us all information and a voice! I am so sad and sorry that people are so blind and so mean.
I am truly sorry they want to beat you and Jill up. But you are such a great source for what is going on world wide and I am sure everyone appreciates your sacrifices, I certainly do. I stay caught up on every thing you put out. Thank you.
Mar 8, 2023·edited Mar 8, 2023Liked by Robert W Malone MD, MS
I can appreciate the vile comments toward you and Jill. I, just last evening, posted a comment on the FB page of our recent past state senator, an allergist, whom I have kept in contact with since I talked with him regarding supporting the Article V project for our state. He commented critically on the recent finding that one of our esteemed local universities has been performing chemical and surgical sex-change procedures on children - without parental consent. I made the comment that as a healthcare provider myself (not a physician) I cannot imagine being a clinical or surgical party to such procedures to anyone, let alone a juvenile. While I didn't invoke any religious rationale, my position was that it was just a highly unnatural thing to do. The hate comments ensued, and after a few I just decided that it wasn't worth my time to return comments - nothing would change the emotional vitriol of these 'believers'. Thank you, Robert and Jill, for your strength of character.
It appears to me that the hate comes from those that subconsciously know their opinion (fed to them by the 'cult') is on shaky ground. I feel that the position I take on many issues ties directly back to God's Word. It's never a struggle to say so, albeit it does not stop the sneers.
Keep your “scriptures” to yourself. I hope I am a kind and good enough person to stay that way and end up pushing up daisies. When people show up at my door selling religion, my response is, “Are you familiar with Mass formation “psychosis”. That being said, there are no atheists in the foxhole. Just Sayin’, Ed
So much for an open mind, Ed. Nobody is selling 'scriptures' here; at least that I've read. There was a fella by the name of Jung who used various aspects of religions to demonstrate the powerful influences, both positive and negative on the psyche.
Actually, I have a VERY OPEN MIND which I fight with everday. I am just a very personal person; and, don”t like views shoved down my throat. And Yes, I did spend 7 days a week in an Episcopalian church/school and a Methodist church for 9 years. I was required to translate Latin text. First it killed the Romans; then, it tried to kill me.
Au D - And, most individuals that put letters behind their name are egotistical, not egoistical. My friends are some of the Very Best physicians in the U.S.A. Their names are Mark, Arun, Kendall and Paul.
Yes, we are on the brink of disaster. Regenerative farming is just another way of saying putting something back instead of just taking taking taking. The organic consumers association does great work and has a very interesting newsletter. They too are under the boot of fascist censorship. I support them as much as I am able.
In ancient times when I was almost 8 the folks moved to the country next to a dairy farm and I gravitated to it like metal to a magnet. Every kid should have the opportunity to work on a farm. At 8, as a taller kid, I carried 5 gallon cans of milk from the barn to the milk house, could run the bottle sterilizing machine, slop the hogs, put the milking machine to the cows, work the hay mow, shock wheat and clean the manure troughs. By ten I was plowing and discing with a team and then a tractor. Later in my 30s I lived in a rural area and for the heck of would plow a field at 8 PM to midnight. During WWII we and several other families had 'victory' gardens where we all chipped in to grow vegetables and then can them for the winter months. We have a small garden and compost our table waste. Best human experience there is when you can grow your own.
I beg people to grasp the means of production where you can. We own a small manufacturing company and also farm small scale. Our homestead includes cattle, dairy cows, horses, pigs, geese, chickens, ducks, bees and a big garden. We mill some of our lumber. All this in California! I think we started by raising sprouts in jars.
Our life is exhausting most of the time. We almost never cease work until dark. Vacations, for now, are impossible. But the life is rewarding, and it makes you hard in a good way. I can see the results of our work all around us.
You don’t have to do all this. As a matter of fact I’m not sure I would recommend our path. Please, however, produce something.
Thank you Malone’s for your tireless work, and for shedding light on small farms/ homesteads.
Love the title already - so true! Have already ordered the organic seeds for this year... Even a pot with self grown tomatoes and herbs is just so good for health and soul!! Happy big or small farming and happy preparing and eating organic meals!! Love, Bettina
Having read some of the attacks on you and Jill, I subsequently unsubscribed from the respective blogs. While I valued their input I could not countenance or support their personal attacks, and felt it unworthy of them. The disappointment was multiplied in knowing that we need everyone - broadly speaking - to fight together instead of devolving into back stabbing.
I have followed your work since well before the Bret Weinstein podcast and particularly enjoyed the comment you made to a group of conservatives in Silicon Valley regarding research demonstrating that those that questioned the narrative being smarter than the rest!
Please keep up the good work and know that you both are valued and appreciated.
We utilize permaculture in our homesteading practices.
We use Silvopasturing or Silvoculture when raising our Mangalitsa pigs in the forest. Full of Omega 3 and 6.
We're paid back tenfold on any extra effort we may need to put in while at the same time, the dependency on outside fertilizers or soils has virtually disappeared.
Do you butcher yourself or take them to a commercial site? I am very curious about this - can you recommend both info on silvoculture and also on how to manage the pigs on pasture/forest?
I take them to a local abattoir. This provides the government approval for resale. Otherwise I can only share it with friends and family.
I do the smoking and curing myself though...and yes that does mean I now cannot sell that meat. This year I will take an order for a whole or half pig in advance then have it smoked at the proper facility.
Normal requirements for a pig containment can be one or two energized wires. One @ 6" off the ground and one 9" above that.
Non energized cattle panels w/ 4" squares works as well.(tricky through the forest)
Being on the East River St. Marys and going through the forest, we have both coywolves and bears lurking around our property so I put up a half acre square, 5 wire electric fence using Timeless Fencing T-Posts and a solar fence energizer. This setup gives me 9600V. Again, this isn't to keep the pigs in, it's to keep predators out.
Even if I'm lazy and don't cut overgrowth off of the fence line for an entire season my energizer is still pushing 7000-8000V.
I've only once had to deal with an escape during hurricane Fiona when a tree fell on the fence. Thankfully they were just standing at the front door of the house waiting for food. Where their food bucket goes, they go. With zero effort they were safely back behind the fence.(Timeless T-Posts are fiberglass and bend back once the obstruction is gone. Highly recommended.)
If I remember correctly..... https://silvoculture.org/ has a program in your state to replant 1,000,000 nut trees. Not everyone has trees but relies instead on the forest floor for food.
Greg Judy is an amazing resource as well as Sheraton Park Farms. The term Silvopasturing is relatively new but these guys have been doing it long before it had a name.
I could go on for days about this but I don't want to consume all of Substacks entire server storage. 😆
I am very ignorant and would like to try and prevent damage because of my ignorance. We very recently moved to eastern Tennessee and although there are some areas of the property that were at one time pasture, almost all of it has been left alone and the bulk is old growth forest. I'm constantly amazed at the wildlife: bobcats, bear, deer, turkeys, a whole pack of coyotes, luna caterpillars, fireflies, eastern box turtles and a gigantic snapping turtle just to mention a few. And that isn't even touching on the trees and plants. And mushrooms!
I bought a book call Farming the Woods by Ken Mudge - but it seems like doing anything would compromise the integrity of the complex eco system that's here. I would welcome any opinion you might have on this.
There are opinions out there supporting all types of rationale.
Some would tell you that borrowing a few shovels full of an already composted log for your garden is sacrilegious.
The forest is quite resilient and you would have to do an awful lot before you could do any serious, long lasting damage. For example something such as clear cutting which will could lead to wind erosion of the top soil or duff.
Possibly planting an invasive species of plant. There are places all across the US with this problem.
The bottom line is, the forest is resilient and there have been many abandoned cities, towns, and villages once sprawling with concrete only to be rewilded by the relentless perseverance of mother nature.
LOL. My old neighbor back in Oregon actually got stressed out and cautioned me against removing deadwood. I told her I could work full time at that and not make a dent in 100 years.
So far, I've researched how to get rid of one invasive tree I've found and have been trying to recognize native species. After watching a Doug Tallamy you tube, I put his concepts to work at my last property and was so amazed at how much life sought out my little 1/4 acre. I want to do something like that here, but it's a much larger amount of land. The property is unique - I want to do what's worthy of it. It's encouraging to think I'd have a hard time causing lasting damage. Thanks!
University of Tennessee Extension’s Agriculture and Natural Resources … “premier source of educational programs and information about agriculture, natural resources, and the food system. We help Tennesseans produce abundant and safe food profitably, take steps toward a cleaner environment, and be effective stewards of natural resources.” One caution, or perhaps a value? They will know about any county/state regulations regarding the protections of streams, wildlife, etc that might interfere with any changes you may want to make.
The extension resource in Oregon was really great - but you're right about regulations being potentially problematic. I'm currently trying to figure out if I want to have the land put into the "Greenbelt" system and am hesitating for that very reason. It's not that I would want to do anything objectionable - but Rosa Koire really made an impression on me and I saw how the zoning boards pretty much confiscated farmland in CA. Everyone says no way will that happen in TN, but sadly, I think they're naive.
Yes Kim, they are very naive. You never know when a jerk will contact the feds to use your land as the habitat for some soon-to-be on the endangered species list regardless of whether or not your land was ever part of its natural habitat. It's happened before. Good luck with your new adventure!
Oh my! To someone living in Eastern England that sounds extraordinary! I’m reading a book called ‘Wilding’ by Isabella Tree, about the Knepp Estate in Sussex run by her and her husband Charlie. I guess the principles are the same, but the flora and fauna are incomparable!
Yes, it truly is extraordinary. But at my last property, I put in raised beds, but also planted many, many native species to attract pollinators. My yard went from practically devoid of life - some quack grass, dirt, black widow spiders and some rats that tore up the crawl space - to an explosion of life of all kinds. Even a fox. And the produce from the beds was unbelievable. All in one year.
That's amazing. You are living the life! My in-laws raised their own pigs and cows in mid Missouri and their vegetables. Oh my, dinner at their place was heaven on earth. Even their 14 day pickles - a delight.
Checking this variety out too to see if I can find anything locally through our MN CSA locally grown programs, as I'm done trusting unknown sources in grocery stores, even meat markets you don't know the actual source of whether gmo's are included in their feed.
Kunes are a lard type pig. They turn pasture into meat, and a lot of lard. We use it in our cooking. It is a healthy fat. But if someone is primarily looking for muscle meat, another breed might be more useful.
This is interesting, I like the sounds of your practice and seems like something worth pursuing to add to my shopping list, but not sure if readily available in MN.
Thank you kindly for the quick response, It saves me time and will help in future searches. I hadn't seen that link at the initial stage of my search, but was looking for sale of course and dilutes the results.
Thank you for all you do telling the truth has not been an easy road for you. Know that so many respect your message and appreciate the risks you take. I love this beautiful article on farming. Im a nutritionist and love the small family farmer. I taught a children's farm to table program years ago. Today I just hope to get people more connected to their food and where it comes from. We should all make an effort to know the people that grow our food. A great place to start is meeting the farmer at the farmers market, knowing their name and shaking their hand.
I have a rider for mowing my acre ‘yard’, down both sides of my football-field-length gravel driveway, and around my fences. I do not have a ‘lawn’. That would require feeding, weed killer, watering and mole, vole and gopher poison. I have a pond with fish. I have an enclosed veggie garden using outdoor dog kennel panels 6 foot tall. I have two dwarf apple trees, for the horses really. I bulk purchase beef from a local with several other people to total half a cow. My son has free-range chickens at his place and he uses their hen house droppings for his raised beds and some of my horse manure which I also use in my beds. None of this sustains me and never will. I read years ago that it takes 4-5 acres and canning to feed a family of four for a year if vegan. Just imagine the process of growing, harvesting and processing wheat to make your own flour….Every pluck a dead hen? Those underlying fluffy feathers…
Do what you can with what you have, compost, rotate and hope for the best. Get to know your neighbors and look for roadside produce sellers or farmer markets in your area!
I self-studied and practised Permaculture for many years in NZ. It is well known in Australia where it originates. It is a very intelligent fascinating concept. The best part imo is that you don't need a farm or even a garden to use its principles. There are Permaculture books for urban people that instruct how to grow your own food indoors and on balconies in big cities. Vertical gardens is another way to use in urban areas. Permaculture is not only for growing or animals. It includes holistic energy saving methods. It won the alternative Nobel price once.
NZ is also big on Steiner. Many schools and biodynamic farms. Personally, despite being a compatriot, I never got hooked on Steiner. He has too many random generalised rules I don't get e.g. don't eat potatoes, don't play soccer. I personally know a dozen kids or so who went to Steiner schools. Some did amazing, others fled in year 10 and later. It is a bit cult-like. Our daughter went to Steiner kindi and I remember the parent meetings. Too intense and serious for me. And I grew up in Germany lol, so I am used to a bit of that. I found Permaculture way more fascinating and stimulating and still use most of its principles. Its real fun. If you don't have land, dont let that stop you. Start in your appartment or balcony. Growing something is grounding and healing on many levels.
If you want to see just how bad we are being lied to by the FDA do carnivore diet for 6 weeks. It saved me from autoimmune hell. I cured 2 hellish autoimmune disorders, clinical anxiety, and I am off all of my medications now for over two years.
Regenerative farming is not that difficult or expensive. I eat for a whole year on 1.5 cows which are mostly grass fed and pasture raised (occasionally I get burgers or steaks with unknown sources when traveling).
Seed oils and soy are poisoning us. Look at nearly all packaged foods and you will find both for no reason. It is like arsenic poison that causes autoimmune, heart disease, cancer and more.
I’m not the only one. Thousands of people are curing themselves from most chronic diseases. I’d be happy to introduce you then Dr Malone if you ever want to dive deeper into this.
Look at these insane results:
https://open.substack.com/pub/joshketry/p/carnivore-diet-saved-me-from-autoimmune?utm_source=direct&r=7oa9d&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Josh
I went kitogenic for a while to improve endurance sport performance and I loved it. I became an excellent fat burner after that. It sounds dramatic but carbs, in general, make most people fat and sick and kill hundreds of millions of people. I fast almost daily for about 15 to 17 hours.it comes natural. I only have coffee in the morning and my first meal often way after lunch, three or four a clock. A second meal around nine. That's it. Very easy. Not hungry. I burn fat very efficiently. I tested it in a sport lab once. I did 10 hour solo bike rides with a sandwich and green tea as fuel. No problem. Everyone can achieve that.i still eat some carbs, but hardly any processed carbs and only very good fats. No seed or soy s**t. That stuff is poisonous. Cream, butter, eggs, olive oil, coconut oil - all organic when possible and affordable. Many chronic symptoms disappear when you reduce carbs and rancid synthetic oils that are used in almost all fast food and many other restaurants. Diet is the single most important factor for good health.
I fast for 9 hours when I'm sleeping. I try hard to have my night time meal finished before 7:00, otherwise at my age it interferes with a good night sleep.
OMAD or fasting is great too. You build stem cells. But make sure to cut these out of your diet:
https://joshketry.substack.com/p/seed-oils-are-slowly-poisoning-us
I just looked at the table. I use only flax seed oil and it is not on there. I add less than a teaspoon when making rice, oatmeal or cream of rice, or boiling noodles. Otherwise I use butter. I purchase few processed food that contain oils.
Unfortunately you are behind on the science I think. Turns out processing that much protein is hugely stressful on one's metabolism over time. We need small amounts of protein and animal fats to be healthy, along with carefully selected, low inflammation veggies for optimal metabolic health. Certain grains are also quite healthy but always in low amounts, like 75% less than the average 'healthy' diet. By constantly processing way too much protein we accelerate our cellular age. Long term Keto dieters are likely to die younger. Just sayin'. Dr. Robert Gundry is my source for all of this. Don't argue with me - I won't change my mind, having done both diets and listening to him, I'm not a doc, I can't argue the science. Go check him out and see if he makes sense. I will readily say that there are a lot of benefits to keto but there is a hidden cost. The optimal diet is quite amazing. Appetite returns to normal. Many aches, rashes, pimples, tingling and other weird things just go away for lots of people. Stomach aches, gas, diarrhea etc all nonexistent. Better sleep. More energy.
I always go back to an old saying: "all things in moderation". And of course, cooking at home with good quality ingredients makes a big difference for me. Whenever I venture out, I pay with an upset stomach. I feel sorry for people who have to travel for work and can't eat home-cooked meals.
"Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand."
Phillipians 4:5
Provides us with not only sage wisdom, but also a sense of timing, that our moderation is a key behavior as the world grows more extreme around us .... Of course, this makes the sane standout, leading to ostracization.
That certainly is appropriate with the Great Unwinding that's under way right now! Some of us have to remain calm.
Agree 100%.
My mother always said "all things in moderation" in regards to food and it always stuck with me. Your body needs certain things and sometimes cravings are your body needing something i.e. salt or sugar.
Glenn I agree with you about protein. Excess protein creates an acidic condition in the blood, which deteriorates our bones and causes other health problems. My learning has stemmed from 62 years of personal research. In 1961 I started following Adele Davis who advocated high amounts of protein (she died of cancer about 7 years later). After 2 years of following her info both my son and I wound up in the hospital having our tonsils out. We had constant colds and sore throats. I also wound up fat and lethargic. The protein myth started in the 1960s with Adele Davis. She was an R.D. who studied in a university funded by the food industry. I learned in 1982 that almost all nutrition schools were provided research done by the food industries which financially supported the schools. The food industries were also behind setting nutrition standards. The industries do this in order to sell more of their products. The end result: Americans spend more on medical problems than any other country. It took years to uncover the truth, because of all the propaganda. However, today at 89 I am physically healthier than I was at 29; and even my mind works better.
My understanding of and experience of Adele Davis and her writings was very different from yours. When she talked about people not eating enough protein, she referenced people eating two eggs and no more protein than that in a day. Her protein recommendations were quite reasonable, and the only time I ate a lot of protein was during my pregnancy, when I counted the recommended 75 to 90 grams. My daughter was so healthy when she was born that the nurses were amazed and asked what I had done. She’s still healthy today, 41 years later. Adele’s advice to eat 20 grams of protein at breakfast, when I followed it, saved me from debilitating abdominal migraines. Her pep up recipe helped me heal an ulcer and kept me going during a bout with bronchitis. When I followed her advice, I got well. And I stayed very slim.
Reading Adele Davis book Let's Get Well when I was a young teenager steered my life in a healthy direction from then on. I still have that original book in my possession and refer to it on occasion.
I remember how popular Adele Davis was in the 70's - her books were plastered everywhere in the drugstores and supermarkets, at least in western Michigan. When I was pregnant with my first child in 1984, I bought Let's Have Healthy Children and took her suggestions to heart. I recall her deriving her conclusions from outside America: studies in Europe and Canada. She lamented throughout her book how terrible it was that the USA couldn't be bothered to look into nutrition and the terrible effects of deficiencies. I too counted protein grams (80 was the target for me), and did so with all subsequent pregnancies too. I also ensured I took all the other supplements she recommended. I had big healthy babies and am forever crediting her for my healthy, strong now-adult children.
I was not going to comment here, but since I already favorably mentioned Adele on a different substack of Dr. Malone’s I will confirm your experience Kim. I have paperbacks of Let's Get Well and Let's Eat Right to Keep Fit I purchased in the 70s. A later paperback edited and expanded by Ann Gildroy Let's Stay Healthy I purchased in 1981. They're well worn and I still refer to them. I made a point to move the bowl of cereal to an afternoon snack and my two boys ate a real breakfast. We only had desserts when dining with their grandparents. She was not a fan of most oils and preferred butter. She informed about the importance of vitamins, how the body used them and the essential amino acid building blocks. It was information I tucked away as important to good health. As a child, Adelle went through a long stage of malnutrition which may have compromised her well being and longevity.
When my 8 year old niece had second and third degree burns from boiling water many years ago, I told my sister everything Adele recommended for burns in Let’s Get Well. As long as my niece took the supplements, she experienced no pain. My brother-in-law was worried about the vitamin E (he thought it would sexualize her) so they stopped it for a short time and, bingo, pain. She ended up with no scarring.
Americans spend more on medical problems mainly because we have the most expensive health care system. I agree that Americans generally are not as healthy as other western nations because of the items in the diet and the amount consumed. I heard someone say one time that other nations didn't start getting an overweight population until a few years after their McDonald's opened! A balanced, moderate intake and low sugar diet with enough physical movement to burn off excess calories...bing! I'm not giving up my Dr. Pepper though.
General Mills donated a new science building decades ago to Harvard after Harvard published a food pyramid with gains at the bottom.
It was known in the 70s that a high protein (animal) diet for long periods of time stresses the system. My mother went on one for three months to lose weight and her doctor tested her urine each month. Evidently urine can tell much! If I do not eat some form of meat each day I feel like I haven't eaten. Black eyed peas are great for meatless protein. I avoid foods that are on the avoid list for blood type O which is my type. When I started to do this over 20 years ago all my arthritic symptoms disappeared.
Nice work!
Taking control of your own health begins @ shopping/consuming knowledge.
What works best for me! And my continued approach to lifestyle nutrients.
Most folks are disconnected from wanting to learn. Relying only on a Doc in a long white lab coat. (so try this Px...take 2 and call me if not better in the morning)
Ahh no thanks. Hahaha. Doctors don't heal you...you heal you!
I started Dr Gundry’s Plant Paradox diet after reading his book. Just amazing. Lost 10 pounds in 4 weeks. Feeling awesome.
Yes, Gundry can be compelling with his Leptin focus. Interestingly, a study in Advances in Nutrition found a link between higher legume intake and lower all-cause mortality and stroke. After continuing the study of biochemistry, physiology and nutrition between patients the last 35 years, I feel much more comfortable with "I am not sure" about any bold pronouncements of dietary elimination, inclusion, avoidance, or adherence. If losing weight is a goal you are achieving, and feeling good doing it, bravo!
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2161831322013114
“Keto” is not the same as carnivore. They let you eat toxic seed oils. That is the culprit. Not the fat or protein. Look at the stats https://joshketry.substack.com/p/seed-oils-are-slowly-poisoning-us
Lol. Truly.
Definitely not behind the science. If you would like to debate it I would be happy to. Already have done so many times.
How many people do you know who have CURED their MS? Negative brain scans. Or psoriasis? Rheumatoid arthritis.
Humans have eaten meat for tens of thousands of years. Go study the Inuits. Zero carbs. High fat. Near zero instances of cancer, heart disease or autoimmune.
Let’s set up a debate.
I think the point is excess. What is excess for one person may not be for another. I happen to believe that a person's blood type is an indicator for the different physical/mental outcome between people when eating certain foods.
Excess of anything is probably not a good idea for sure, and sugar being an important one as I'm sure you know, which they say a cup of can reduce your immune system for up to 2 hours at a time. Those in Dr P or any soda are the worst kind of sugars too, but we all have our preferred weaknesses, mine being sugar date cookies, or a yummy date like paste in a folded sugar cookie.
Blood types do make a difference too, my mom had A/B+ and didn't get a sniffle when I got it back while at the VA during the Omicron wearing a mask of course, caring for her 24/7 365 and her with COPD, Stage IV Lung Cancer, Heart murmur, and on oxygen couldn't/wouldn't wear a mask, and with the nasal and throat problems non stop almost until Q and Z, I found out later I can't seem to find in my files or may be in my crashed computer about Types A/B +/- having an unusual immunity to covid. There are several showing lower percentage for this type of blood, but I like this one with an actual chart.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/73/2/328/5880600
I would say, forget science when it comes to diet. It's a too broad and blunt and reductionistic tool. A lot of harm was done when scientific diet recommendations were turned into public health recommendations. The old food pyramid is a good example of that. A diet is highly individual and always temporary. It's not a fixed thing.
Once upon a time, we had the perfect adviser for what to eat every day: Our healthy appetite. Those people who are still tuned into their bodies, without being side-tracked and confused by hundreds of opposing opinions about what is best for "them", always find the ideal diet for the day. That's what appetite stands for: It is a very sophisticated and yet very simple instruction from your body to your brain: Today I am lacking this. Get it for me.
However, it doesn't work for most people anymore because habit and certain addictions makes us choose our food unconsciously without checking in what we really need.
One of these addictions, the most powerful one, is sugary carbs. It is amazing the war on drugs doesn't include processed carbs. They are one of the most addictive and damaging substances on the planet. And there is a good reason for it:
Our bodies and their dietry needs have developed over millions of years. For more than 99% of that time we were roaming the earth as hunter and gatherers. We still have that body.
Unlike today, carbs were difficult to get for our ancestors. Their diet was much higher in protein and fats then today. They mostly got carbs they through berries (which are the lowest carb fruits you can get) and ripe fruit from wild fruit trees and honey. (Of course, it was more complex than that but I am not writing a scientific paper here).
So when the tribe found ripe fruit or honey, they binged on it. Not because it tasted so good. (Some indigious African people still risk their life when they find a bee hive up a high tree. There is a docu somewhere about it). The good taste was just the bait. Binging on carbs guranteed our survival.
Sugary carbs from ripe fruit and honey are incredibly dense in energy comapre to fats and portein. We only need to eat a little to meet our energy requirments for the day. But we don't stop after eating just a little. And that's why we are still here as a species.
Our ancestors had no supermarkets and fridges. They didn't need them. Our bodies developed this amazing ability to store food within ourself (animals too, of course). Our bodies keep eating carbs, even after we are technically full for the day, and transform it into body fat.
So the tribe would bunker down around the fruit tress and binge for days, if not weeks, and gain many kilos of body fat. And after all was gone they would move on but it could be weeks before they would find more carbs. They might find proteins and fats from animals and seafood but we need carbs to survive, especially our brains. Then our bodies developed this other amazing ability. When carbs run out in the food supply, the stored fat is transformed into ketones and our body can use these ketones instead of carbs. Without that mechanism, we probably would be extinct.
All good and well until we fast forward to modern times with supermarkets around every corner and fridges everywhere. We mastered the widespread production of an abundance of food high in carbs. So much food energy. We also invented machines and hardly spend energy anymore.
What didn't change, of course, is the process of turning carbs into body fat. It would be very dangerous to drop that mechanism from a biological perspective. But it is happening, in huge numbers. Use it or lose it applies.
I believe, that the ability to quickly go into a kitogenic state will be slowly diminishing for people who never fast. Because that is exactly what fasting does and that's why fasting has been a health remedy for millenias. Periodic fasting is an important part for Christian and Muslim religious practise. There is great wisdom in it.
To recap, our addiction to carbs is totally naturally and has a very important purpose. To eat more carbs than we need and transform it into fat was essential for our survival. Many people beat themselves up because they can't stop eating sweeties. The guilt trip re-enforces the addictive behaviour. Guilt is one of the most useless emotions ever. Now, that we know the above, we can relax. We can truly face the fact that we are all naturally selected carb addicts. How does that help?
The AA addiction groups are still one of the most succesful methods to beat addiction in the world. A key step in the AA model is to take responsiblity for our addiction and acknowledge that we are addicts. "Hi everyone, my name is Markus and I am a carb addict."
And, in principle, that is a good thing and it is in our nature. We don't have to beat ourselves up ever again. Does that mean we can just binge on guilt-free now?
Of course not because it will kill us. It will kill us before the next famine because of obesity. But it also think it will kill us during the next famine. If we think those 20kgs of stored fat give us an advantage over the skinny guys we are mistaken. We have the fat storage but we threw away the keys to the storage. The keys are our ability to transform our fat into ketones.
When I did my research before I went fully ketogenic deliberatly for a few months there were many warnings for obese and diabetic people to not do that. Apparently it can be very dangerous and life-threatening. But, as always, do your own research. Start slow, first do no harm. Don't push things.
There are always many causes for a situation, of course, This is only one angle to approach it. To understand some of the mechanism of overeating on carbs (btw you can't overeat on a ketogenic diet, it is impossible, you don't have to restrict yourself, you can eat as much as you like, I loved that, and people lose weight, I know from myself and know from a good friend) can be a game changer. It enables us to talk to the binging part of ourselves and say something like: It's ok. I know you try to keep me alive by building up fat. Thank you. But I think I have enough. I also need to practise to transform it back into ketones. How about we try something new?"
Now, before you medical and scientifc people come down on me like a swarm of bees and point out the many holes and inaccuracies in my theory and cry "this research says this, and that research says that," please don't. I don't care and I am not interested in a theoretical intellectual debate.
I don't recommend fasting to anyone. I don't recommend anything full stop. Not true. I recommend one thing: Use your own brain, trust your intution and face your fears.
I express my opinion based on my personal experiences and my own conclusions. I am not saying this is the truth. It is my truth at this current point in time. Share your opinon and experiences, be all means. But please don't start to lecture me citing opinions based on some papers currenlty in fashion. Thank you.
Glenn, there are different variances for everyone, and it is good to seek counsel in varying degrees, finding the proper blood tests can make all the difference on a healing journey to help know where to begin as detoxifying properly in advance can help focus on the right path and accelerate the process.
It is helpful to post a link as well, when searching Dr. Steven Gundry the first hit was to a page that was more about products with other helpful stuff too though, but the one most are likely to automatically go to.
https://gundrymd.com/
When it didn't seem like what I was looking for came upon his site with more information available IMO and states Keto unlike Lectin free referencing on the first site, I'm not sure maybe there's a difference as I've not looked at either model before at this point, I'm still quite a novice at this point as my journey has only began since back in November 2021.
https://drgundry.com/
I know some don't like long posts or links and things, but personally I find them helpful when trying to learn about new aspects of things, and helps tremendously in searching without really knowing a more defined direction to go in.
Sorry replied to wrong part/person in the thread.
First, most 'detoxifying' approaches are total nonsense. Second while of course there is variation in humans from blood type to other hormonal and gene expressions, our metabolisms, digestive systems and nutritional needs actually don't vary that much. Gundry's books are where to start. Wanna know why I trust him so much? He was a world class cardiac surgeon with patents on baby heart surgery devices etc. Serious clinician who also did research. A surgeon who was up close and personal with all the effects of bad diet on heart and circulatory systems. Top of his field.
And 30 lbs overweight, not matter what he did. He was eating what he was told was a healthy diet. Long story short is he started trying nutritional changes to heal himself and patients and has never stopped. He's become more and internist now. And he's evolved. He was pro-Keto style for a while but as the science came in he changed his mind. This is what has me trust him so much. When the new studies came out showing the real risks of high protein diets, he went to his audience and wrote a new book about it. He's not ego invested, nor is trying to become a 'guru' like a lot of other people in the nutrition world. He was already a 'guru' in his field, he's a different level than most people
He also runs a successful clinic treating people every day as an MD with the methods and practices he describes. He's got an awesome podcast. But the books are the thing.
Yes I've seen many variations of cleanses, I am on a 21 day cleanse with 3 separate parts right now, I haven't been exact on it this time as I'm considering it a trial run learning experience. I can tell the difference, even more so when I cheated on it, and why there's a pre, during, and post to allow you body to adjust while toxins are exiting. I have 3 more tries with the program this year, and I am going to do a thorough deep blood analysis apart form the VA that I have little faith in anymore.
As I said I like his second site, and will be looking around more and hadn't seen the books yet but will certainly investigate. I definitely believe in adding more vegetables to my diet, which I've already done but I've no plans to give up meat. I will be looking for better farming practices and organic/gmo free now. I've already been searching through our MN CSA's Community Supported Agriculture and came across one claiming organic but touting the use of vaccinations, which concerns me considerably and have to investigate the purpose of having heard about Gates ideas regarding them and his working on changing rules around organics too.
Thanks
Wow I just heard about the soy and seed oil toxins in foods on a Zonia docuseries episode. What they hide in processed foods we need to learn about and pay attention to, and get ourselves off of it all, and grow and/or eat as much organic as possible. One thing I've heard on even personal and beauty care products containing so many toxins in them is to look for USDA certification at least in you purchases. So many Toxin's in our homes not to mention EMF waves unplug as much as you can when not in use, and I'm not just talking about the phones and computers.
Spot on. We say to our teenage daughter: Any cosmetic products you put on you skin - you can have it - if you first try to eat it. She tried once or twice to eat that stuff and realised how disgusting it is. (occassionaly we buy her quality organic skin products from Waleda or other good companies. They are expensive, but you can eat most of them.) Next step, which is on my bucket list, is to make your own. I make my own herb tinctures which is extremly easy to do.
Just the other day I researched how to make my own organic natural sunblocker. I am in the sun a lot because I life near the beach and surf. I love being int the sun for the energy and Vitamine D it gives me. That's another very harmful firmly believed misinformtion from so called "experts" - skin cancer and what causes it.
I used zinc blockers and other stuff for may years because there seems to be no alternative for water sports. But I only ever used it around my nose, and the area around my eyes not so much the lower part of my face. That's where my skin now is the worste - exactly where I used the toxic suncreams. Now I try to detox thos parts.
Of course. Getting burned by the sun is very bad and doing so repetively, is likely one cause of skin cancer. Best protection, millenia old, is a good tan. I keep my tan up all year long so don't need suncream for moderate times in the sun at all. And I cover up or leave before I get burned.
Many people somehow think that what you put on your skin doesn't enter your bloodstream and body. Well, try a nicotine patch and you have your answer. Most of the cosmetic industry is as criminal as pharma, if not more so because the oversight is even less. The cheap face foundation products most teenagers can afford, ruin their skin. Which means they use more and more of that stuff to cover it up. A vicious horrible cycle. It rins there face and also slowly poisons them from the outside in. Again, greed trumps decency.
I wrote somewhere else that good wholsome traditional food is the single most important factor to good health. Avoiding toxins is the 2nd one. They are everywhere: Air, water, food, cosmetics, building materials, cars, carpets etc..... You can avoid some of them, depending where you live, but often you can't. And doing so costs money many don't want to spend because it doesn't look like an obvious priority. The damage comes years later, sometimes dacades later. Toxins accumulated in our bodies and slowly poison us over time and cause all sort of desease no-one ever established a link before.
We filter all our drinking water, for example) but many other toxins you can't avoid, unless you live in the Himalayas or the Australia outback. That's were constant detoxing is so important. There are many ways to detox. Personally, I use MMS drops (There is a free article about it on my substack) and very frequent coffee enemas.
However,I don't recommend what I do to others as a general principle. Only because something specific works for me, doesn't mean it works for you. We are very complex organisms with very unique genetic make-ups and a very specific history. I think it is insane to give the same medicine to sometimes billions of different people based on some clinical trials and research. Millions of people die yearly because of the wrong medicines or medical procedures. It is one of the biggest killers. And doctors can't protect us form that. Even the best and most ethical ones can't foresee the comlex interactions of all these factors.
What I do recommend, however, is that we become our own doctors (and farmers, and lawyers, and activists, and pharmacists etc.) unless, we know experts we trust 100% and we can afford. Sometimes good friends or family are such experts. Becoming part of the benign and healing energy and wisdom of bigger group is even more powerful than tapping into our own wisdom. This actually goes hand in hand. Our own work - physical, emotional, psychological and spiritual - automatically leads to sharing with and reaching out to like-minded people and healing grows exponentionally.
When I mention certain things, it is meant as an inspiration to look into it with an open mind, research it, get a feeling for it and then either discard it or, if inuitively embrassed, it leads to carefully trying it in a safe way. First do no harm applies too. Then we re-asses. Becoming our own sientists is real fun and very beneficial. Nobody knows ourselfs better than us. Nobody can feel into our bodies like we can. Our body awareness is an incredible intelligent sophisticated diagnostic tool. But most of us have to train it first.
Other detox methods are as simple as excercise in clean air. Sweating and breathing is detoxifying and stimulates our lymph systems. It doesn't have to complicated or exhaustive. A thirty minute walk eveery second day can do wonders for a totally sedantary person. That's the third pillar of good health and desease prevention: Moving our bodies.
(Stress-elimination being the 4th).
I am doing this for almost a decade now. It is work but fist improvement come within weeks and start a positive self-reaffirming cycle. And in the past few years I really reaped the benefits of all that I am doing. I am sixty and look like early fifty, people say. One new friend recently, when asked by my wife to guess my age (I wasn't present), struggled and then said: "Ageless. He looks ageless." Needless to say I loved that. What an ego-boost lol. But I even have some "scientific" confirmation. A few years ago I did some fat-buring testing in a sport lab and, as a information on the side, the scientist worked out that my biological age is about 12 years less than my chronological age. Genes might play a role although all my grandparents dies relatively young. So did my father aged 58. The exceptions is my mother aged 88 and in very good health.
But how good I feel is even more important. I haven't seen a doctor (except for blood tests) or a dentist in many years. This is where we also reap the financial benefits of a healthy lifestyle and active desease prevention. While it initially cost money to invest into organic wholesome food, water filters, detox and so on - you save much more not paying any doctors and dentists and loss of earnings from sick days (I was self-employed most of my life). I could go on and on. Sorry for the long post.
Good way to teach lessons. Making your own I've heard is not that hard, Celea Farber has a post about it where people were posting all sorts of recipes for doing this.
https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/make-it-yourselfa-new-truth-barrier
I heard on the Zonia docuseries that only about 5% of diseases we get are actually gene related. It'll take some time for me to search for the Doctors name when I can review the episode again, the free period is over now. But I found this and it must've been in the cancer section.
"Only about 5% to 10% of all cancers are known to be strongly linked to gene defects (called mutations) inherited from a parent"
https://www.cancer.org/healthy/cancer-causes/genetics/family-cancer-syndromes.html
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/genetics
On diabetes
"However, these variants are also found in the general population, and only about 5 percent of individuals with the gene variants develop type 1 diabetes. "
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/type-1-diabetes/
"Genetic Factors Are Not the Major Causes of Chronic Diseases"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27105432/
This seems interesting to search specifics, it's up to you if you trust the source, one article above seems to say it maybe a worthwhile effort.
"Genes and Disease is a collection of articles that discuss genes and the diseases that they cause. These genetic disorders are organized by the parts of the body that they affect. As some diseases affect various body systems, they appear in more than one chapter."
"With each genetic disorder, the underlying mutation(s) is discussed, along with clinical features and links to key websites. You can browse through the articles online, and you can also download a printable file (PDF) of each chapter."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22185/
Celiac disease
"The short answer is yes, celiac disease can be ruled out >99.0% of the time in this case.1 Negative tests for both HLA-DQ2 and HLA-DQ8 genes make celiac disease highly unlikely."
https://nationalceliac.org/celiac-disease-questions/celiac-genes/
I am sure there are some articles that confirm most chronic deseases including cancer and cardio deseases are strongly related to life-style. But these reporst will always be underrepresentated in a information marketplace because not much money is earned telling people to change their life-style.
Regarding the gene theory of desease. It is irrelevant to me. I can change my life-style, I can't change my genes. What use is a theory (and it still is), that disempowers me and puts my health into the hands of specialists? Not saying they shouldn't research and maybe they can help but it is irrelevant to me and there is a danger that people give up saying: Oh, I have bad cancer genese. Bad luck. Nothing I can do now.
Yes there are. That's my point to, and that being presented in the Toxicity docuseries I watched, not to rely on it being your genes, and deal with it treating the cause.
Like Michael Bauerschmidt, MD who said in the first segment something like, I try to ignore people coming in my office saying I have this or that problem, and tell then that you have symptoms of some types of problems that we need to find out what is causing them.
Part of his clinics philosophy, and yes we can do it on our own using the same types of techniques. Some aren't up on everything and might require different care to find and treat the causes standard medical care continually overlooks. Having the right type of tests can make all of the difference too.
So I post the info for all to consider.
Our philosophy
We believe in your body’s ability to heal itself. We believe: that to experience lasting results you must get to the root cause of (dis)ease and the body must do the healing. We believe that lasting answers are dependent upon moving beyond symptoms and discovering what is underneath. We believe that each individual is unique and so are the solutions. We offer the tools to assist the body to heal naturally. We believe in honesty and transparency and resist the norm of using things that help in the short run that potentially hurt in the long run.
https://deeperhealing.com/our-practice/
These types of doctors can be found at the AAEM or the American Academy of Environmental Medicine
https://www.aaemonline.org/
Another group of practitioners can be found at the Institute of for Functional Medicine that was discussed
What is Functional Medicine?
Functional medicine determines how and why illness occurs and restores health by addressing the root causes of disease for each individual.
https://www.ifm.org/
I was surprised how much better my skin looks after turning to organic products a couple years ago. There is a brand here in Canada that is beautiful: www.omskin.com. I believe they will ship to any country if you contact them by email. Now if I could just find organic sources for all my makeup! I also only buy products that are not tested on animals.
They were just talking about Parabens focusing on women's products (I'm not) but how it's affects hormones among other functions so I looked up and even on CDC (first hit) which I'm no fan of by any means.
"Parabens are man-made chemicals often used in small amounts as preservatives in cosmetics, pharmaceuticals, foods, and beverages. Common parabens are methylparaben, ethylparaben, propylparaben, and butylparaben. Often more than one paraben is used in a single product."
"CDC scientists found Methylparaben and propylparaben in the urine of most of the people tested, indicating widespread exposure to these parabens in the U.S. population."
I"n adults younger than age 60, non-Hispanic blacks had higher levels of methyl paraben than non-Hispanic whites."
"Females had several-fold higher concentrations of methylparaben and propylparabens than males, which likely reflect the greater use of products containing parabens."
Then the kicker, lol
"Finding a measurable amount of parabens in urine does not imply that they cause an adverse health effect."
https://www.cdc.gov/biomonitoring/Parabens_FactSheet.html
This site seems pretty good.
"KNOW YOUR ENVIRONMENT. PROTECT YOUR HEALTH."
https://www.ewg.org/what-are-parabens
Loved the "kicker"! Amazing how they lie to us about everything but those who haven't yet swallowed the red pill can't see it.
Kelly if you want to read more about seed oils check this out: https://joshketry.substack.com/p/seed-oils-are-slowly-poisoning-us
Thank you
Everybody is different, literally "body", what helped you, would kill me. A vegetarian diet is what saved me and I'm functioning great on it. Soy is not per definition bad, seed oils also not, as with everything: the dose makes the poison. You already say it yourself: look at nearly all packaged foods and you will find both for no reason: that is exactly the problem, with many more thins and it is highly highly processed on top of it. Most humans are made as omnivores and our teeth, enzymes etc can do perfectly well with those things as humans in nature ate a lot of seeds, fruits etc and in certain seasons meat, depending on where they lived (this is why we can't say: all have been living like this or should eat like that).
We grow everything ourselves, drink raw milk and make cheese, yogurt, butter etc from it, eat eggs from chickens that can walk around free and also visit our garden; you taste the difference with other eggs. We use old methods to preserve eggs over winter.
I'm happy you found out what your body needed, your body will always let you know what it needs but most don't recognise the signs nor listen.
What I also like from your post, is that you show one can eat from 1,5 cow; this is for 2 persons 3 lives, whereas insects (what is promoted now) is many many many lives per person. If I would want to eat meat and could eat it, this would be of quite some importance to me.
Giggling. No, everyone isn't different. That's mythology. Carry on. I run into sooooo many people like you who believe in their personal mysticism about diet and exercise. Fyi, your lecture is not needed for me. I can tell by what you said that I'm like 1000x more informed than you about this.
Get familiar with Robert Gundry, MD. I eat more plants than I do meat, but in fact the majority of 'vegetables' are garbage for your metabolism and very harmful. You aren't a snowflake...you are just another bozo on the bus like the rest of us. While there is variation in human biology, it's nowhere near what you believe in terms of how it should effect our diets. Please don't reply, I'm not going to have a dialog with someone who approaches their diet based on mysticism.
Believe? I've done research to it: the Hittites, the Eskimo's, all different diets, throughout history we had.
I reply when I like to, not for you, for others so they learn from this bozo (whatever that is) I'm indeed not a snowflake, snowflakes are not alive.
I know what saved my live, I know what I've seen. period. Stop lecture people who treat your opinion, believes etc with respect, take your experiences serious and don't pretend as if they can't know, did not do their research or are knowledgeable as if they are just simpleminded idiots believing everything they hear (I never do, study about food since I could read; was one of those kids): you don't know me at all; you assume you know.
I did not lecture you, I supported your statement, shared my experience and add some info based on my experience: that is what is so interesting when interacting with other people in my opinion, you don't want me to answer: that is lecturing in a way you don't even treat a little nagging child: the innkeeper trusts his customers as he is himself.
I like different opinions, expressed with respect at least, and wouldn't be here to just attack and don't want to discuss: then you should not respond so you are behaving without respect in all possible ways and treat your personal experience as a religion. A pity and sure not the way to convince others or inspire them to look into what you say, I already know Robert Gundry by the way, of course I do.
Hope your soul will find some harmony in the future, make the world a better place.
To others who read this and do want to hear different experiences: ask someone allergic and tell them their body is not different. Eating meat has almost cost me my life, I did not know it was in there, they said there was not. My partner went back to the restaurant as locals said they always put meat stuff in it. The innkeeper said the same as Glenn, he said it was BS that one can get ill from it. Meanwhile I had fever, vomiting, diarrhea and all hat comes with eating meat. I have a very specific response to it; my heart-rate was dangerous high. So, this may be a lecture: take others serious.
I've had this problem so often, it is quite bizarre to read above comment because of that; Glenn may run in sooooo many people: I never do, always have to explain as they never heard of it and think everybody can eat everything just like that, some have heard about allergies, intolerances for milk or gluten but that is it, until you speak with knowledgeable people or the doctors in the hospital, treating you when it goes wrong again.
I cook often for large groups and if someone tells me he gets sick from an ingredient, he gets sick; it is not up to me to decide if someone's experience is BS or mysticism
Be kind, show respect.
You are correct, I believe your opinion is ignorant and not worth listening to. And I think it's quite arrogant for so many people who don't really understand the science of all this to ramble on so. Note that it's mostly women who seem to have been convinced that there is something mystical about food and their bodies, lol. And that each person is so speshul and unique, I could literally spend the rest of my life reading such dopey comments, it's so common. But it's horseshit. Carry on, I know what matters most is your feels. I don't care about your feelings at all.
It really works for Jordan Peterson.
All you can say empirically is that it's working in some ways in the short term. From what I understand this is not the optimal healthy diet. I've listened Mikhaelia describe her health issues and I'm sorry, she sounds like a zillion uninformed young women today treating their health as though it's some mystical thing. And that she's doing 'persona research'. I bet 1000 bucks they'd both be healthier on Gundry's Plant Paradox diet. Cuz it eliminates all the veggies and other elements of your diet that are making you sick. We also don't hear much about their diets' previous to this. Fyi, I've done Keto and gotten the results they got, yawn...It's not healthy. Period. It does lean you out and feels good in some very real ways. And by eliminating so many inflammatory foods (which is all Mikhaelia did), anyone will feel better. Anyone. They both talk like babes in the woods on this stuff and seem to know very little of the science behind all of it. They are the last people on earth qualified to dispense diet and health advice.
I can only talk how it was for me. I did it for a few months, or so, and it really improved my endurcance performance. Mission achieved. After that I went off pure kitogenic. Nowadays, I pretty much eat what I like but I like mostly healthy fats, average protein and a few veggies and fruits, hardly any bread but pasta twice a week. Organic when possible, but not going cray about it. Nothing special. The whole this diet, that diet bores me to be honest. Just fads, just intellectual psuedo-science bla bla for people who have lost their connection with their bodies and the flow of life.
And science can nevere figure out diet. It is too complex and too individual. Forget science. Try and error is one way, but painful. And then there is another way which is difficult to describe without sounding like a new-age idiot......I think less and less, and drift from moment to moment spontaneously and miracelously I am still alive and hold a job and pay my bills in time. That's a spiritual thing I do. And lots of good drugs taken in an artful intentional way. Anyway, who wants to know this stuff. Just rambling. Have a great day.
This is the kind of hooey one reads all the time on this subject. There is real science on all this, its knowable. And yes, anyone going on keto will get some great results in terms of weight lose, and lowering inflammation. Fyi, a lil hint for you. Most fruits are awful for you, they are just sugar with very little nutritional value. I look at the average vegans 'acai bowl' and giggle, it's like a suped up program to develop diabetes. Most of the benefits of keto come from the dramatic reduction in inflammation people experience.
The next project is fixing gut fauna and your biome. Then it's about optimal nutritional supplementation. Focusing that on lowering inflammation and immune system health is huge. I take d3,c,zinc, elderberry and ginger in one pill, and also k2 for cardiac health. Then for the body, something like HIIT is optimal, men should add in doing really hard/heavy whole body work or lifting once a week. That's all straight from Huberman, that neuroscientist. Between Gundry and Huberman you can eliminate all doubt and speculation from what works. No more 'feeling' it or trial and error.
You'll reduce the risk of every disease on earth if you follow the above.
Happy for you found what works for you. Agree with the heavy lifting, especially when older, like me. Muscle mass and bone density is importan, I think. And I enjoy it - that's the main thing for me. Enjoying my little hooey life. Shakespeare agrees with me:
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
AMEN! Right there with you on this.
Sadly true, we can tolerate and encourage their new philosophy but they seem to be unable or willing to reciprocate. I'm currently working with a Ross Bridgeford on a PH Diet, which is not really a diet (unless you want it to be) but a PH balancing system. I'm woking on a cleanse presently first try of four options throughout the year,, or as many times as I want on my own. It's all new to me so a test run so to speak. He considers himself an 80+% Vegan with the balance Vegetarian and makes it clear up front he understands not everyone will want to give up meat, but suggests finding a good Organic source that may cost more but the idea is to consume less and smart. I'm back to trying to eat the size of my palm 3-4 times a week with of course a few treats for breakfast or a BLT now and again, as me and one cat won't give up our bacon, and the other likes pistacio nuts I just found out today lol.
now that I know you read the comments, I would just like to thank you guys for sacrificing your lives to give us all information and a voice! I am so sad and sorry that people are so blind and so mean.
I am truly sorry they want to beat you and Jill up. But you are such a great source for what is going on world wide and I am sure everyone appreciates your sacrifices, I certainly do. I stay caught up on every thing you put out. Thank you.
I can appreciate the vile comments toward you and Jill. I, just last evening, posted a comment on the FB page of our recent past state senator, an allergist, whom I have kept in contact with since I talked with him regarding supporting the Article V project for our state. He commented critically on the recent finding that one of our esteemed local universities has been performing chemical and surgical sex-change procedures on children - without parental consent. I made the comment that as a healthcare provider myself (not a physician) I cannot imagine being a clinical or surgical party to such procedures to anyone, let alone a juvenile. While I didn't invoke any religious rationale, my position was that it was just a highly unnatural thing to do. The hate comments ensued, and after a few I just decided that it wasn't worth my time to return comments - nothing would change the emotional vitriol of these 'believers'. Thank you, Robert and Jill, for your strength of character.
It appears to me that the hate comes from those that subconsciously know their opinion (fed to them by the 'cult') is on shaky ground. I feel that the position I take on many issues ties directly back to God's Word. It's never a struggle to say so, albeit it does not stop the sneers.
I agree
There is deep meaning in so much of the scriptures, but only if one is open to learning.
Keep your “scriptures” to yourself. I hope I am a kind and good enough person to stay that way and end up pushing up daisies. When people show up at my door selling religion, my response is, “Are you familiar with Mass formation “psychosis”. That being said, there are no atheists in the foxhole. Just Sayin’, Ed
So much for an open mind, Ed. Nobody is selling 'scriptures' here; at least that I've read. There was a fella by the name of Jung who used various aspects of religions to demonstrate the powerful influences, both positive and negative on the psyche.
Actually, I have a VERY OPEN MIND which I fight with everday. I am just a very personal person; and, don”t like views shoved down my throat. And Yes, I did spend 7 days a week in an Episcopalian church/school and a Methodist church for 9 years. I was required to translate Latin text. First it killed the Romans; then, it tried to kill me.
Au D - And, most individuals that put letters behind their name are egotistical, not egoistical. My friends are some of the Very Best physicians in the U.S.A. Their names are Mark, Arun, Kendall and Paul.
Nailed it
Never, ever stop fighting for that which hold true to Your brain, heart and soul. Ed
Yes, we are on the brink of disaster. Regenerative farming is just another way of saying putting something back instead of just taking taking taking. The organic consumers association does great work and has a very interesting newsletter. They too are under the boot of fascist censorship. I support them as much as I am able.
In ancient times when I was almost 8 the folks moved to the country next to a dairy farm and I gravitated to it like metal to a magnet. Every kid should have the opportunity to work on a farm. At 8, as a taller kid, I carried 5 gallon cans of milk from the barn to the milk house, could run the bottle sterilizing machine, slop the hogs, put the milking machine to the cows, work the hay mow, shock wheat and clean the manure troughs. By ten I was plowing and discing with a team and then a tractor. Later in my 30s I lived in a rural area and for the heck of would plow a field at 8 PM to midnight. During WWII we and several other families had 'victory' gardens where we all chipped in to grow vegetables and then can them for the winter months. We have a small garden and compost our table waste. Best human experience there is when you can grow your own.
Yes. Every kid should have the opportunity to work on a farm!
I beg people to grasp the means of production where you can. We own a small manufacturing company and also farm small scale. Our homestead includes cattle, dairy cows, horses, pigs, geese, chickens, ducks, bees and a big garden. We mill some of our lumber. All this in California! I think we started by raising sprouts in jars.
Our life is exhausting most of the time. We almost never cease work until dark. Vacations, for now, are impossible. But the life is rewarding, and it makes you hard in a good way. I can see the results of our work all around us.
You don’t have to do all this. As a matter of fact I’m not sure I would recommend our path. Please, however, produce something.
Thank you Malone’s for your tireless work, and for shedding light on small farms/ homesteads.
Yes. Start small. The gratification of it will draw you into as much as is good for you.
Dear Jill and Robert Malone, I want to thank you very very much for ALL that you are doing. You have been my lifeline. You give me hope. Thank you.
Love the title already - so true! Have already ordered the organic seeds for this year... Even a pot with self grown tomatoes and herbs is just so good for health and soul!! Happy big or small farming and happy preparing and eating organic meals!! Love, Bettina
Having read some of the attacks on you and Jill, I subsequently unsubscribed from the respective blogs. While I valued their input I could not countenance or support their personal attacks, and felt it unworthy of them. The disappointment was multiplied in knowing that we need everyone - broadly speaking - to fight together instead of devolving into back stabbing.
I have followed your work since well before the Bret Weinstein podcast and particularly enjoyed the comment you made to a group of conservatives in Silicon Valley regarding research demonstrating that those that questioned the narrative being smarter than the rest!
Please keep up the good work and know that you both are valued and appreciated.
We utilize permaculture in our homesteading practices.
We use Silvopasturing or Silvoculture when raising our Mangalitsa pigs in the forest. Full of Omega 3 and 6.
We're paid back tenfold on any extra effort we may need to put in while at the same time, the dependency on outside fertilizers or soils has virtually disappeared.
That is so cool! Mangalitsa are so interesting- I would love to get more information on them.
We will never farming anything else. They are the Kobe beef of pork. Marbled red meat, not white. The taste profile is unmatched. Very easy to keep.
I'm currently using them to turn an old growth forest into a park like setting. They are lifting the native grasses preserved in the soil.
Chickens go over after them to break everything down and fertilize.
Do you butcher yourself or take them to a commercial site? I am very curious about this - can you recommend both info on silvoculture and also on how to manage the pigs on pasture/forest?
I take them to a local abattoir. This provides the government approval for resale. Otherwise I can only share it with friends and family.
I do the smoking and curing myself though...and yes that does mean I now cannot sell that meat. This year I will take an order for a whole or half pig in advance then have it smoked at the proper facility.
Normal requirements for a pig containment can be one or two energized wires. One @ 6" off the ground and one 9" above that.
Non energized cattle panels w/ 4" squares works as well.(tricky through the forest)
Being on the East River St. Marys and going through the forest, we have both coywolves and bears lurking around our property so I put up a half acre square, 5 wire electric fence using Timeless Fencing T-Posts and a solar fence energizer. This setup gives me 9600V. Again, this isn't to keep the pigs in, it's to keep predators out.
Even if I'm lazy and don't cut overgrowth off of the fence line for an entire season my energizer is still pushing 7000-8000V.
I've only once had to deal with an escape during hurricane Fiona when a tree fell on the fence. Thankfully they were just standing at the front door of the house waiting for food. Where their food bucket goes, they go. With zero effort they were safely back behind the fence.(Timeless T-Posts are fiberglass and bend back once the obstruction is gone. Highly recommended.)
If I remember correctly..... https://silvoculture.org/ has a program in your state to replant 1,000,000 nut trees. Not everyone has trees but relies instead on the forest floor for food.
Greg Judy is an amazing resource as well as Sheraton Park Farms. The term Silvopasturing is relatively new but these guys have been doing it long before it had a name.
I could go on for days about this but I don't want to consume all of Substacks entire server storage. 😆
Forgot to mention a good read is
'Silvopasture A Guide to Managing Grazing Animals, Forage Crops, and Trees in a Temperate Farm Ecosystem.'
By Steve Gabriel
It may cover more than you want at the moment but you may want it later.
I am very ignorant and would like to try and prevent damage because of my ignorance. We very recently moved to eastern Tennessee and although there are some areas of the property that were at one time pasture, almost all of it has been left alone and the bulk is old growth forest. I'm constantly amazed at the wildlife: bobcats, bear, deer, turkeys, a whole pack of coyotes, luna caterpillars, fireflies, eastern box turtles and a gigantic snapping turtle just to mention a few. And that isn't even touching on the trees and plants. And mushrooms!
I bought a book call Farming the Woods by Ken Mudge - but it seems like doing anything would compromise the integrity of the complex eco system that's here. I would welcome any opinion you might have on this.
There are opinions out there supporting all types of rationale.
Some would tell you that borrowing a few shovels full of an already composted log for your garden is sacrilegious.
The forest is quite resilient and you would have to do an awful lot before you could do any serious, long lasting damage. For example something such as clear cutting which will could lead to wind erosion of the top soil or duff.
Possibly planting an invasive species of plant. There are places all across the US with this problem.
The bottom line is, the forest is resilient and there have been many abandoned cities, towns, and villages once sprawling with concrete only to be rewilded by the relentless perseverance of mother nature.
LOL. My old neighbor back in Oregon actually got stressed out and cautioned me against removing deadwood. I told her I could work full time at that and not make a dent in 100 years.
So far, I've researched how to get rid of one invasive tree I've found and have been trying to recognize native species. After watching a Doug Tallamy you tube, I put his concepts to work at my last property and was so amazed at how much life sought out my little 1/4 acre. I want to do something like that here, but it's a much larger amount of land. The property is unique - I want to do what's worthy of it. It's encouraging to think I'd have a hard time causing lasting damage. Thanks!
Perhaps you could contact https://utextensionanr.tennessee.edu/
University of Tennessee Extension’s Agriculture and Natural Resources … “premier source of educational programs and information about agriculture, natural resources, and the food system. We help Tennesseans produce abundant and safe food profitably, take steps toward a cleaner environment, and be effective stewards of natural resources.” One caution, or perhaps a value? They will know about any county/state regulations regarding the protections of streams, wildlife, etc that might interfere with any changes you may want to make.
The extension resource in Oregon was really great - but you're right about regulations being potentially problematic. I'm currently trying to figure out if I want to have the land put into the "Greenbelt" system and am hesitating for that very reason. It's not that I would want to do anything objectionable - but Rosa Koire really made an impression on me and I saw how the zoning boards pretty much confiscated farmland in CA. Everyone says no way will that happen in TN, but sadly, I think they're naive.
Thank you for the link!
Yes Kim, they are very naive. You never know when a jerk will contact the feds to use your land as the habitat for some soon-to-be on the endangered species list regardless of whether or not your land was ever part of its natural habitat. It's happened before. Good luck with your new adventure!
Oh my! To someone living in Eastern England that sounds extraordinary! I’m reading a book called ‘Wilding’ by Isabella Tree, about the Knepp Estate in Sussex run by her and her husband Charlie. I guess the principles are the same, but the flora and fauna are incomparable!
Yes, it truly is extraordinary. But at my last property, I put in raised beds, but also planted many, many native species to attract pollinators. My yard went from practically devoid of life - some quack grass, dirt, black widow spiders and some rats that tore up the crawl space - to an explosion of life of all kinds. Even a fox. And the produce from the beds was unbelievable. All in one year.
That's amazing. You are living the life! My in-laws raised their own pigs and cows in mid Missouri and their vegetables. Oh my, dinner at their place was heaven on earth. Even their 14 day pickles - a delight.
We do enjoy a giant market garden.
This year I'm trying for a record breaking Atlantic Giant Pumpkin.
My seeds are from a 1927lb donor I purchased from Dill's here in Nova Scotia where the Atlantic Giant was created.
We raise Kunekunes. Super slow food. They stay healthy on pasture. We only supplement them with sprouted grains mainly in the winter.
Checking this variety out too to see if I can find anything locally through our MN CSA locally grown programs, as I'm done trusting unknown sources in grocery stores, even meat markets you don't know the actual source of whether gmo's are included in their feed.
Kunes are a lard type pig. They turn pasture into meat, and a lot of lard. We use it in our cooking. It is a healthy fat. But if someone is primarily looking for muscle meat, another breed might be more useful.
Lard is superior to cooking oils, heck I still keep a jar of bacon grease everyone tells me is bad for me, and it may be but it has it's purposes.
I won't be raising, but looking to purchase from a local farmer from now on, and if they sell lard to all the better.
This is interesting, I like the sounds of your practice and seems like something worth pursuing to add to my shopping list, but not sure if readily available in MN.
Minnesota has an entire community devoted to this way of life.
You may have to plan a day trip in the near future.😉
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Thank you kindly for the quick response, It saves me time and will help in future searches. I hadn't seen that link at the initial stage of my search, but was looking for sale of course and dilutes the results.
Thank you for all you do telling the truth has not been an easy road for you. Know that so many respect your message and appreciate the risks you take. I love this beautiful article on farming. Im a nutritionist and love the small family farmer. I taught a children's farm to table program years ago. Today I just hope to get people more connected to their food and where it comes from. We should all make an effort to know the people that grow our food. A great place to start is meeting the farmer at the farmers market, knowing their name and shaking their hand.
In rural France, my brother told me, they eat bread made locally and can tell you whose field the grain came from by the flavor of the bread.
Great stuff!
When you are catching flak, you must be over the target. Keep on keeping on. I enjoy reading your musings. Thank you.
I have a rider for mowing my acre ‘yard’, down both sides of my football-field-length gravel driveway, and around my fences. I do not have a ‘lawn’. That would require feeding, weed killer, watering and mole, vole and gopher poison. I have a pond with fish. I have an enclosed veggie garden using outdoor dog kennel panels 6 foot tall. I have two dwarf apple trees, for the horses really. I bulk purchase beef from a local with several other people to total half a cow. My son has free-range chickens at his place and he uses their hen house droppings for his raised beds and some of my horse manure which I also use in my beds. None of this sustains me and never will. I read years ago that it takes 4-5 acres and canning to feed a family of four for a year if vegan. Just imagine the process of growing, harvesting and processing wheat to make your own flour….Every pluck a dead hen? Those underlying fluffy feathers…
Do what you can with what you have, compost, rotate and hope for the best. Get to know your neighbors and look for roadside produce sellers or farmer markets in your area!
Everyone should pluck a couple chickens.
After the chopping or wring.
Yes. Preferably.
I self-studied and practised Permaculture for many years in NZ. It is well known in Australia where it originates. It is a very intelligent fascinating concept. The best part imo is that you don't need a farm or even a garden to use its principles. There are Permaculture books for urban people that instruct how to grow your own food indoors and on balconies in big cities. Vertical gardens is another way to use in urban areas. Permaculture is not only for growing or animals. It includes holistic energy saving methods. It won the alternative Nobel price once.
NZ is also big on Steiner. Many schools and biodynamic farms. Personally, despite being a compatriot, I never got hooked on Steiner. He has too many random generalised rules I don't get e.g. don't eat potatoes, don't play soccer. I personally know a dozen kids or so who went to Steiner schools. Some did amazing, others fled in year 10 and later. It is a bit cult-like. Our daughter went to Steiner kindi and I remember the parent meetings. Too intense and serious for me. And I grew up in Germany lol, so I am used to a bit of that. I found Permaculture way more fascinating and stimulating and still use most of its principles. Its real fun. If you don't have land, dont let that stop you. Start in your appartment or balcony. Growing something is grounding and healing on many levels.