I completely agree with you, however, I don't think it is that unbelievable to think that it would gave been difficult for those in our intelligence agency in the 60s to have carried out the order. Isn't that the primary purpose of the CIA, even then? With all the shock, that I guess is still felt by many citizens, that this could have h…
I completely agree with you, however, I don't think it is that unbelievable to think that it would gave been difficult for those in our intelligence agency in the 60s to have carried out the order. Isn't that the primary purpose of the CIA, even then? With all the shock, that I guess is still felt by many citizens, that this could have happened, what makes us think that this act in the early 60s was the first time that the US's CIA/OSS had engaged in similarly atrocious acts in the tears before that. Now I'm beginning to wonder how many years before the Kennedy assassination our intelligence people, whatever their name, engaged in similarly shocking acts.
The CIA in 1963 had only been around for 15 years at that point. So to murder a president is an amazingly bold takeover of America. The people that did this had to be a relatively small group of elite people within that organization. There probably was collaboration with other elites in other agencies but my God to do this the way they did is a gross takeover of power and in only 15 years of existence. Frightening!!
Don’t forget the history. Prior to naming the CIA, it was the OSS. I don’t suppose they cleaned house when the name changed. The org culture continued and there wasn’t a 15 year old new agency. It was paralleling J Edgar Hoover and the FBI, also out-of-control fascist power. Joe McCarthy was right.
Our British cousins did a t.v. series about their MI 5. We and the cats have been watching it on Prime and last nite they had a show where MI 6 orchestrated a coup to take control of the gov, suspend all civil rights and kill a whole bunch of folks in the process. Sorta like…
I would think there would have been considerable overlap in personnel
But, just between the two of us: the 3-letter agencies of today, the ones we seem to be ready to demonize (probably with good reason 🤷♀️ 😉), I’m just not in a place where I think these agencies were like that 60, 70 years ago.
But I belch unicorns&rainbows, so what could I know 🤔
SR Miller I’m not at all deeply versed in OSS or 1963 CIA. I just think there was more to killing JFK so publicly. I found this Video on OSS. They had formed in 1943 just 20 years before they murdered Kennedy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Services
USSR, Cuber, who knows; I’m of the opinion we may never know if there was more to it than Oswald. Frankly, it’s not something I think about nor loose sleep over. We can speculate until the gummint becomes fiscally responsible and knowing who/what would be naught but an historical footnote. But, here’s something to think about: you do know who was around in 1963?, Biden! Oh sure, he’d have been young but is there any aspect of life where he hasn’t excelled - as he repeatedly informs us. By eliminating Kennedy from his perch as the soon to be elder statesman of the democrat party, the path is cleared for Biden to begin ascending. Two term Kennedy, no Future President Biden. Two term Kennedy upsets the whole Apple cart - no Johnson, no new deal, Clinton never does better than a beat up El Camino with shag rug in the rear; Obama’s mentor is deported or imprisoned as a commie sympathizer and today we’d be growing Christmas Cacti on Mars.
Oops, slipped into writer mode and began belching rainbows and unicorns. Again.
Little known fact in this alternate history, Ronald Wilson Reagan still becomes President, but Nixon never does - Governor of California after Reagan 😊
Yes, why so publically? Perhaps to send a message to some people? Would this have to do with his being Catholic? Millions of Catholics around the world were devastated.
I completely agree with you, however, I don't think it is that unbelievable to think that it would gave been difficult for those in our intelligence agency in the 60s to have carried out the order. Isn't that the primary purpose of the CIA, even then? With all the shock, that I guess is still felt by many citizens, that this could have happened, what makes us think that this act in the early 60s was the first time that the US's CIA/OSS had engaged in similarly atrocious acts in the tears before that. Now I'm beginning to wonder how many years before the Kennedy assassination our intelligence people, whatever their name, engaged in similarly shocking acts.
The CIA in 1963 had only been around for 15 years at that point. So to murder a president is an amazingly bold takeover of America. The people that did this had to be a relatively small group of elite people within that organization. There probably was collaboration with other elites in other agencies but my God to do this the way they did is a gross takeover of power and in only 15 years of existence. Frightening!!
Don’t forget the history. Prior to naming the CIA, it was the OSS. I don’t suppose they cleaned house when the name changed. The org culture continued and there wasn’t a 15 year old new agency. It was paralleling J Edgar Hoover and the FBI, also out-of-control fascist power. Joe McCarthy was right.
Our British cousins did a t.v. series about their MI 5. We and the cats have been watching it on Prime and last nite they had a show where MI 6 orchestrated a coup to take control of the gov, suspend all civil rights and kill a whole bunch of folks in the process. Sorta like…
What's the name of the show?
Spooks
Not opining either way with your post, but:
OSS -> CIA.
I would think there would have been considerable overlap in personnel
But, just between the two of us: the 3-letter agencies of today, the ones we seem to be ready to demonize (probably with good reason 🤷♀️ 😉), I’m just not in a place where I think these agencies were like that 60, 70 years ago.
But I belch unicorns&rainbows, so what could I know 🤔
SR Miller I’m not at all deeply versed in OSS or 1963 CIA. I just think there was more to killing JFK so publicly. I found this Video on OSS. They had formed in 1943 just 20 years before they murdered Kennedy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Strategic_Services
USSR, Cuber, who knows; I’m of the opinion we may never know if there was more to it than Oswald. Frankly, it’s not something I think about nor loose sleep over. We can speculate until the gummint becomes fiscally responsible and knowing who/what would be naught but an historical footnote. But, here’s something to think about: you do know who was around in 1963?, Biden! Oh sure, he’d have been young but is there any aspect of life where he hasn’t excelled - as he repeatedly informs us. By eliminating Kennedy from his perch as the soon to be elder statesman of the democrat party, the path is cleared for Biden to begin ascending. Two term Kennedy, no Future President Biden. Two term Kennedy upsets the whole Apple cart - no Johnson, no new deal, Clinton never does better than a beat up El Camino with shag rug in the rear; Obama’s mentor is deported or imprisoned as a commie sympathizer and today we’d be growing Christmas Cacti on Mars.
Oops, slipped into writer mode and began belching rainbows and unicorns. Again.
Little known fact in this alternate history, Ronald Wilson Reagan still becomes President, but Nixon never does - Governor of California after Reagan 😊
Yes, why so publically? Perhaps to send a message to some people? Would this have to do with his being Catholic? Millions of Catholics around the world were devastated.
All except biden I’d be willing to bet.
Good point about the publically. They certainly didn't need to do it publically, did they?