In college, my Mother propelled me from Animal Husbandry into Psychology. I was interested in motivational research. Along with the psych courses, I took some sales courses. The salesmen cringed and I didn't feel welcome. Long time ago, but it did sensitize me to what you're discussing here as nu…
In college, my Mother propelled me from Animal Husbandry into Psychology. I was interested in motivational research. Along with the psych courses, I took some sales courses. The salesmen cringed and I didn't feel welcome. Long time ago, but it did sensitize me to what you're discussing here as nudging. It has led to my general reaction to wait and see and to wait and 'think about it.' That's stood me very well over the years.
I can't say that I think nudging (selling) is ethical in selling (strong arming purchase of EVs for example or making a loan to a person who may very well have a hard or impossible time paying it back) or in public health settings.
So how to best counter agents determined to accomplish their missions by any means necessary? Legislation is surely one avenue to consider. Education of the 'targets' might be another. You strongly advocate we investigate (granted we have enemies who would let us see the ONLY their approved story lines), consider/discuss and then think for ourselves. It may be useful to pursue both such goals. I'm under the impression our educational system is in sore need of refocusing. Should 2025 afford us better opportunities - this might be bandied about for inclusion.
Off Topic: The hearing today was pretty frustrating. Yes, I want to get to the bottom of what happened on the 13th! But I also want to hear the Giant steps being taken that we can feel confident will keep our most vital candidates safe. How are they going to (get a new SS leader and) assure safety going forward TODAY and beyond?
Jean. I agree about upgrading our primary and secondary education system.
Teaching critical thinking skills at those levels will embed those skills at a subliminal level so that when we are presented with incomplete news stories, or stories that are wildly out of sync with the real world, we can “smell” that something is not right even when we don’t have full confirmation of what it is that is not right.
A great deal of what I read in mainstream news does not pass my smell test. Same with a great deal of what I read in Substack stories.
Many Substack stories ramble far beyond any semblance of credibility, worse than mainstream media outlets. They are a way for the authors to blow hard to an audience that is willing to believe anything they are spoon fed, using “facts” and “statistics” that best suit their stories. No need for reliable references here. That doesn’t matter. There are no consequences here for making unrealistic statements and then present then as facts. I suppose that makes the authors feel good about themselves.
The stories presented here can be fun to read but they are not always credible just because they touch my native sensibilities. I am aware of the danger of appeals to my own biases.
My response: know that something happened at a certain time and place but beyond that I try to remember that the rest of the story is opinion presented by the author. I reserve my right to question that opinion.
Thank you for this interesting discussion!
In college, my Mother propelled me from Animal Husbandry into Psychology. I was interested in motivational research. Along with the psych courses, I took some sales courses. The salesmen cringed and I didn't feel welcome. Long time ago, but it did sensitize me to what you're discussing here as nudging. It has led to my general reaction to wait and see and to wait and 'think about it.' That's stood me very well over the years.
I can't say that I think nudging (selling) is ethical in selling (strong arming purchase of EVs for example or making a loan to a person who may very well have a hard or impossible time paying it back) or in public health settings.
So how to best counter agents determined to accomplish their missions by any means necessary? Legislation is surely one avenue to consider. Education of the 'targets' might be another. You strongly advocate we investigate (granted we have enemies who would let us see the ONLY their approved story lines), consider/discuss and then think for ourselves. It may be useful to pursue both such goals. I'm under the impression our educational system is in sore need of refocusing. Should 2025 afford us better opportunities - this might be bandied about for inclusion.
Off Topic: The hearing today was pretty frustrating. Yes, I want to get to the bottom of what happened on the 13th! But I also want to hear the Giant steps being taken that we can feel confident will keep our most vital candidates safe. How are they going to (get a new SS leader and) assure safety going forward TODAY and beyond?
Have a good one ♡♡♡
Jean. I agree about upgrading our primary and secondary education system.
Teaching critical thinking skills at those levels will embed those skills at a subliminal level so that when we are presented with incomplete news stories, or stories that are wildly out of sync with the real world, we can “smell” that something is not right even when we don’t have full confirmation of what it is that is not right.
A great deal of what I read in mainstream news does not pass my smell test. Same with a great deal of what I read in Substack stories.
Many Substack stories ramble far beyond any semblance of credibility, worse than mainstream media outlets. They are a way for the authors to blow hard to an audience that is willing to believe anything they are spoon fed, using “facts” and “statistics” that best suit their stories. No need for reliable references here. That doesn’t matter. There are no consequences here for making unrealistic statements and then present then as facts. I suppose that makes the authors feel good about themselves.
The stories presented here can be fun to read but they are not always credible just because they touch my native sensibilities. I am aware of the danger of appeals to my own biases.
My response: know that something happened at a certain time and place but beyond that I try to remember that the rest of the story is opinion presented by the author. I reserve my right to question that opinion.