I thought he only sent advisors to help the S. Vietnamese Army, and was not going to commit more troops as he did not want us to enter into a war. I admit I could be wrong.
Whatever the scenario, the evidence points to the fact that we lost a President to players within our own government. IтАЩm glad it has finally been exposed, and hopefully, we will not allow it to happen againтАФever.
It started out as advisors and morphed into troops, think Dr. Nash is correct. But the '64 election message from LBJ was, "Don't vote for that right-wing lunatic Goldwater. He'll get us into WW3." The mushroom cloud ad only ran once, but it was effective.
I would argue that our country has never recovered from the Lincoln assassination, and to a lesser extent, Kennedy. The left surged due to LBJ's lies - calling everything into question. Authority. Religion. Government. Patriotism. Until relatively recently, the vast majority of tenured professors in universities were baptized in the anti-war movement. Colleges of Liberal Arts are essentially worthless today, as a result. There might be a handful of exceptions, but you don't need two hands.
Brief review, Truman sent special forces there to help the French (ironic how fdr's v.p. could be so vehemently anti- commie, aint it?) then Ike did same later. We had 7--8000 there when jfk brought that number to 17000 including the first draftees..
In Robert CaroтАЩs magisterial series on Johnson, he points out that Johnson - close to Truman - saw the grief Truman took for тАЬappearing soft on CommunismтАЭ before coming around to the positions for which he is now known. and vowed never to be seen in the same light.
I read a couple of great books on this subject. Diem was a devout Catholic, and supposedly anti-Buddhist(later proved untrue). Henry Cabot Lodge met with Diem in person, and later advised Kennedy that the US should stage a coup. Kennedy sent award winning journalist, Marguerite Higgins to investigate. She knew the language and the country and had been the only female embedded with the US troops during the Korean War. In her book, "Our Vietnam Nightmare" she writes about discovering that the Buddhist monasteries had been infiltrated by the Communists, and they were behind the Buddhist monks setting themselves on fire. It had nothing to do with Diem; the Communists had set up a propaganda campaign against him. While Kennedy was waiting for her full report, the CIA went rogue and despite Kennedy saying that Diem and his family should be kept safe, Diem was assassinated. Kennedy was furious. I think it was only two weeks later that he was also killed.
Strange things happen - my copy of "First Things" just arrived and what caught my eye was an ad for a new book from Ignatius Press, "Cardinal Nguyen Van Thuan" subtitled "Man of Joy and Hope" who was imprisoned by the Communists for 13 years. His mother was a special advisor to Ngo Dinh Diem, as you say, "of deep Catholic faith and strong devotion to his country."
Incredible; thank you! It has always bothered me that the two assassinations were in the same month. Yet, crickets. And the compounded damage done! What has come out so far re/ USAID is only the tip of the iceberg. I'm afraid it will be so bad that goal of transparency will morph back into the opaque and the nebulous and never actually see the light of day. This deep state thing is a generational cancer, and we only have one chance to excise it. I would like to be more optimistic, but realism is calling...
The book I mentioned is incredible. The other book, that directed me to Marguerite Higgins, was entitled The AntiChrist by Father Vince Miceli. He was a close friend to Alice and Dietrich Von Hildebrand.
Thank you, again, Mary Anne. I was not familiar with Marguerite Higgins but what little I have gleaned is most compelling. Do you know the cause or nature of her death in 1966?
A question with absolutely no validity, but what if Diem was talking about making peace? "Oh, no, we can't have that. Get rid of him." Had CIA gone rogue by '63? Maybe a two-fer. Kennedy was 3 weeks later.
As I posted earlier, jfk sent the first draftees there and kept them there.
Yeah, but I think he would have changed course. There would have been no Gulf of Tonkin incident.
I thought he only sent advisors to help the S. Vietnamese Army, and was not going to commit more troops as he did not want us to enter into a war. I admit I could be wrong.
Whatever the scenario, the evidence points to the fact that we lost a President to players within our own government. IтАЩm glad it has finally been exposed, and hopefully, we will not allow it to happen againтАФever.
It started out as advisors and morphed into troops, think Dr. Nash is correct. But the '64 election message from LBJ was, "Don't vote for that right-wing lunatic Goldwater. He'll get us into WW3." The mushroom cloud ad only ran once, but it was effective.
I would argue that our country has never recovered from the Lincoln assassination, and to a lesser extent, Kennedy. The left surged due to LBJ's lies - calling everything into question. Authority. Religion. Government. Patriotism. Until relatively recently, the vast majority of tenured professors in universities were baptized in the anti-war movement. Colleges of Liberal Arts are essentially worthless today, as a result. There might be a handful of exceptions, but you don't need two hands.
Brief review, Truman sent special forces there to help the French (ironic how fdr's v.p. could be so vehemently anti- commie, aint it?) then Ike did same later. We had 7--8000 there when jfk brought that number to 17000 including the first draftees..
In Robert CaroтАЩs magisterial series on Johnson, he points out that Johnson - close to Truman - saw the grief Truman took for тАЬappearing soft on CommunismтАЭ before coming around to the positions for which he is now known. and vowed never to be seen in the same light.
My guess is that Truman allowed Dean Acheson to speak for him. Interesting thesis to cross JFK papers with Venona and Mitrokhin.
What do you know about the Diem assassination? Smells like CIA to me.
I read a couple of great books on this subject. Diem was a devout Catholic, and supposedly anti-Buddhist(later proved untrue). Henry Cabot Lodge met with Diem in person, and later advised Kennedy that the US should stage a coup. Kennedy sent award winning journalist, Marguerite Higgins to investigate. She knew the language and the country and had been the only female embedded with the US troops during the Korean War. In her book, "Our Vietnam Nightmare" she writes about discovering that the Buddhist monasteries had been infiltrated by the Communists, and they were behind the Buddhist monks setting themselves on fire. It had nothing to do with Diem; the Communists had set up a propaganda campaign against him. While Kennedy was waiting for her full report, the CIA went rogue and despite Kennedy saying that Diem and his family should be kept safe, Diem was assassinated. Kennedy was furious. I think it was only two weeks later that he was also killed.
Mary Anne,
Strange things happen - my copy of "First Things" just arrived and what caught my eye was an ad for a new book from Ignatius Press, "Cardinal Nguyen Van Thuan" subtitled "Man of Joy and Hope" who was imprisoned by the Communists for 13 years. His mother was a special advisor to Ngo Dinh Diem, as you say, "of deep Catholic faith and strong devotion to his country."
Incredible; thank you! It has always bothered me that the two assassinations were in the same month. Yet, crickets. And the compounded damage done! What has come out so far re/ USAID is only the tip of the iceberg. I'm afraid it will be so bad that goal of transparency will morph back into the opaque and the nebulous and never actually see the light of day. This deep state thing is a generational cancer, and we only have one chance to excise it. I would like to be more optimistic, but realism is calling...
The book I mentioned is incredible. The other book, that directed me to Marguerite Higgins, was entitled The AntiChrist by Father Vince Miceli. He was a close friend to Alice and Dietrich Von Hildebrand.
Thank you, again, Mary Anne. I was not familiar with Marguerite Higgins but what little I have gleaned is most compelling. Do you know the cause or nature of her death in 1966?
Have no idea. But c.i.a. dirty tricks and s.e. asia.,...
A question with absolutely no validity, but what if Diem was talking about making peace? "Oh, no, we can't have that. Get rid of him." Had CIA gone rogue by '63? Maybe a two-fer. Kennedy was 3 weeks later.