It's not enough to mention Christ. One must recognize His uniqueness, that He was fully human and fully God while on earth and now sits at the right hand of God the Father. He said in John 14:6 that He is the only way to the Father. There is only one way to be saved. I cannot go along with this idea of just declaring all religions the sa…
It's not enough to mention Christ. One must recognize His uniqueness, that He was fully human and fully God while on earth and now sits at the right hand of God the Father. He said in John 14:6 that He is the only way to the Father. There is only one way to be saved. I cannot go along with this idea of just declaring all religions the same and deciding we'll just all get along. We must come to God on His terms, not ours. Christianity is unique because our God came down to us, rather than making us claw our way up to try to find the right way and to determine how much is good enough. At one point, the gospels tell that some of Jesus' followers were leaving because following him had become too costly. He asked Peter, are also going to leave? Peter replied, no, you have the words of life. That's where I am. Only Jesus has the words of life, not Mohammed or Buddha or any other religious leader.
My position, after decades of study is that the Bible contradicts itself a lot. I do not make that statement lightly. Nevertheless, in order to grow in Christianity, I had to reconcile my relationship with Jesus's and his teaching/healing with all the "other" statements in the Bible. This takes time, sincere prayer, and a listening heart.
Many great Christians have gone before us and wrestled these issues, and I have worked to learn from many of them, as well as to develop my own relationship with the Holy Spirit, and pray over the difficult questions.
Jesus gave us all the answers. We just miss them all too often.
Nothing in the rest of the Bible can compare with Him. His teaching is beyond compare, and men lose the thread, over and over and over again. Love is the one and only answer.
He also spoke of the incorporation of certain aspects of Asian religious concepts--New Agey if you ask me. I sure hope that this community does not turn to deciding that this is the way humanity should be filling spiritual void in order to correct a mechanistic view of human worth. The dangers posed by a one world religion go hand and hand with a one world government. And the Bible tells us how that works out...
The one world religion promoting one world government, which is politically correct paradoxical syncretism, is not the same as explaining the metaphysical logic underlying many religious beliefs. They're opposite in many ways.
Politically correct paradoxical syncretism boils down to, basically, the belief that all religions are equally valid. Truth and morality are subjective. Contradictions among different belief system can be resolved by, well, just ignore those and remember that faith and logic never mix! And if some real life conflicts bubble up because of this, the Government and those that control it can act as God to resolve any issues. The CTMU, on the other hand, uses advanced logic to see what religious beliefs can be logically justified. Reason and faith are coupled. There's no reason to blindly trust any government or central authority as a logically sophisticated people can all use the universal nature of logic to distributively resolve issues.
Where can I find an explanation of the logic process that you are thinking of in any of your writings?
It is a tall order, isn’t it though, because people and cultures have differing principles of logic and we humans routinely make often layered decisions and judgments based on many other things than logic. Not the least problem to overcome is that we can deceive ourselves and it makes perfect sense to us.
As a favorite proverb of mine says,
“The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.”
Just watched the video Gina posted above where Chris explained that the texts of the Bible or Scriptures are “Divine revelation” and are therefore necessarily believed by faith—bypassing logic.
I agree that the Scriptures are given to humanity by God (which would be a type of Divine intervention or miracle through the writers) but that Scriptures would not be “revelation” to anyone except to those who examine them and God in His grace, uses the texts to reveal Himself and other truth about humanity and life to them.
A person’s faith is only as sound as the truth that supports it.
We don’t make the truth, but God gives the ability to recognize it through the logical minds He gives us and by clearing away the mental confusion and blindness caused by our sinful state.
I agree that faith and reason or logic are not mutually exclusive. But high intellectual capacity isn’t a prerequisite for a person’s faith to be soundly based on truth either. That would exclude the simple and those who know that they are pitiful and weak.
The Bible contains a number of different literary genres. Historical narratives, wisdom literature, didactic letters. So we can ask:
Is what is written true or not?
How well do these writings answer the questions that mankind has? (Even if we may not like the answers to some of the questions that we have.)
Do the Scriptures prove to be true when we take the whole counsel of what is taught in the Bible and obey the instructions that we find there?
Do we discover the personal God that is revealed in Scripture and explained to humanity in the incarnation of Jesus as described in the book of Hebrews?
Are we truly changed by this on-going relationship with God?
It appears that we can put too much value on high intellectual capacity and in complicated theories or philosophies. These can actually be a stumbling block to recognizing truth hidden in plain sight, accessible to even the simple.
Jesus said, “Truly I tell you,” he said, “unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
4 “Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child — this one is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.”
It is not folly to simply trust (put faith in) what is true.
I’m this post truth world—it is important to think about how we discover or discern truth. Do we even believe in transcendent truth?
Scripture is true, but, being written in natural language, has inherent ambiguities. There is a time for metaphorical parable and a time for “plainly spoken” technical truth. Modern thinkers, scientists, etc., are being led astray by flawed materialistic atheistic interpretations of the “technical truths.” There is value in reconciling “complicated theories of philosophy” with the simple truth of a humble child.
I often look at lifesitenews.com although I am not Catholic. They've been expressing concern about the pope. Once they had a headline, "Is the Pope Catholic?" I was wondering, is the pope a Christian? Doesn't look like it.
It's not enough to mention Christ. One must recognize His uniqueness, that He was fully human and fully God while on earth and now sits at the right hand of God the Father. He said in John 14:6 that He is the only way to the Father. There is only one way to be saved. I cannot go along with this idea of just declaring all religions the same and deciding we'll just all get along. We must come to God on His terms, not ours. Christianity is unique because our God came down to us, rather than making us claw our way up to try to find the right way and to determine how much is good enough. At one point, the gospels tell that some of Jesus' followers were leaving because following him had become too costly. He asked Peter, are also going to leave? Peter replied, no, you have the words of life. That's where I am. Only Jesus has the words of life, not Mohammed or Buddha or any other religious leader.
I wish Christians would read C.S. Lewis more.....
Sigh.
Or even just listen to Jesus, lol.
Sorry if I offend, but direct Revelation is still real.
But the Christian must test "revelation" by what the Bible says. The Holy Spirit will not reveal something to us that contradicts the Bible.
My position, after decades of study is that the Bible contradicts itself a lot. I do not make that statement lightly. Nevertheless, in order to grow in Christianity, I had to reconcile my relationship with Jesus's and his teaching/healing with all the "other" statements in the Bible. This takes time, sincere prayer, and a listening heart.
Many great Christians have gone before us and wrestled these issues, and I have worked to learn from many of them, as well as to develop my own relationship with the Holy Spirit, and pray over the difficult questions.
Jesus gave us all the answers. We just miss them all too often.
Nothing in the rest of the Bible can compare with Him. His teaching is beyond compare, and men lose the thread, over and over and over again. Love is the one and only answer.
CTMU definitely supports the specialness of Christ, Logos made flesh, member of the Holy Trinity, etc.
Then why not just talk about that? Why add on these incomprehensible ramblings?
He also spoke of the incorporation of certain aspects of Asian religious concepts--New Agey if you ask me. I sure hope that this community does not turn to deciding that this is the way humanity should be filling spiritual void in order to correct a mechanistic view of human worth. The dangers posed by a one world religion go hand and hand with a one world government. And the Bible tells us how that works out...
The one world religion promoting one world government, which is politically correct paradoxical syncretism, is not the same as explaining the metaphysical logic underlying many religious beliefs. They're opposite in many ways.
Can you give an example of what you mean?
Politically correct paradoxical syncretism boils down to, basically, the belief that all religions are equally valid. Truth and morality are subjective. Contradictions among different belief system can be resolved by, well, just ignore those and remember that faith and logic never mix! And if some real life conflicts bubble up because of this, the Government and those that control it can act as God to resolve any issues. The CTMU, on the other hand, uses advanced logic to see what religious beliefs can be logically justified. Reason and faith are coupled. There's no reason to blindly trust any government or central authority as a logically sophisticated people can all use the universal nature of logic to distributively resolve issues.
Where can I find an explanation of the logic process that you are thinking of in any of your writings?
It is a tall order, isn’t it though, because people and cultures have differing principles of logic and we humans routinely make often layered decisions and judgments based on many other things than logic. Not the least problem to overcome is that we can deceive ourselves and it makes perfect sense to us.
As a favorite proverb of mine says,
“The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.”
Proverbs 18:17
The logic is laid out in Chris' many papers and writings on the CTMU. It takes some time and effort to get through but well worth the effort IMO.
Just watched the video Gina posted above where Chris explained that the texts of the Bible or Scriptures are “Divine revelation” and are therefore necessarily believed by faith—bypassing logic.
I agree that the Scriptures are given to humanity by God (which would be a type of Divine intervention or miracle through the writers) but that Scriptures would not be “revelation” to anyone except to those who examine them and God in His grace, uses the texts to reveal Himself and other truth about humanity and life to them.
A person’s faith is only as sound as the truth that supports it.
We don’t make the truth, but God gives the ability to recognize it through the logical minds He gives us and by clearing away the mental confusion and blindness caused by our sinful state.
I agree that faith and reason or logic are not mutually exclusive. But high intellectual capacity isn’t a prerequisite for a person’s faith to be soundly based on truth either. That would exclude the simple and those who know that they are pitiful and weak.
The Bible contains a number of different literary genres. Historical narratives, wisdom literature, didactic letters. So we can ask:
Is what is written true or not?
How well do these writings answer the questions that mankind has? (Even if we may not like the answers to some of the questions that we have.)
Do the Scriptures prove to be true when we take the whole counsel of what is taught in the Bible and obey the instructions that we find there?
Do we discover the personal God that is revealed in Scripture and explained to humanity in the incarnation of Jesus as described in the book of Hebrews?
Are we truly changed by this on-going relationship with God?
It appears that we can put too much value on high intellectual capacity and in complicated theories or philosophies. These can actually be a stumbling block to recognizing truth hidden in plain sight, accessible to even the simple.
Jesus said, “Truly I tell you,” he said, “unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
4 “Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child — this one is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.”
It is not folly to simply trust (put faith in) what is true.
I’m this post truth world—it is important to think about how we discover or discern truth. Do we even believe in transcendent truth?
Scripture is true, but, being written in natural language, has inherent ambiguities. There is a time for metaphorical parable and a time for “plainly spoken” technical truth. Modern thinkers, scientists, etc., are being led astray by flawed materialistic atheistic interpretations of the “technical truths.” There is value in reconciling “complicated theories of philosophy” with the simple truth of a humble child.
And this one is another humbling but helpful thing for me to keep in mind,
“The heart is more deceitful than anything else, and incurable — who can understand it?”
Jeremiah 17:9
Thanks for the explanation. I'm sticking with the One who made me a new creation 46 years ago. Take care.
You take care as well. You should definitely stick with Christ. But they aren't mutually exclusive. The CTMU complements my belief in Christ.
Check this out. https://leohohmann.com/2022/11/07/the-one-world-religion-on-full-display-as-fake-faith-leaders-join-globalist-predators-to-push-earth-worship-at-u-n-cop-27-conference/#more-11791
I opened some of the links in the article. It's time to look into this closer. Again, ugh.
I often look at lifesitenews.com although I am not Catholic. They've been expressing concern about the pope. Once they had a headline, "Is the Pope Catholic?" I was wondering, is the pope a Christian? Doesn't look like it.
Ugh. Not loving the looks of that.