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Anne Clifton's avatar

Then why not just talk about that? Why add on these incomprehensible ramblings?

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Life Is Good's avatar

He also spoke of the incorporation of certain aspects of Asian religious concepts--New Agey if you ask me. I sure hope that this community does not turn to deciding that this is the way humanity should be filling spiritual void in order to correct a mechanistic view of human worth. The dangers posed by a one world religion go hand and hand with a one world government. And the Bible tells us how that works out...

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Zach's avatar

The one world religion promoting one world government, which is politically correct paradoxical syncretism, is not the same as explaining the metaphysical logic underlying many religious beliefs. They're opposite in many ways.

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Life Is Good's avatar

Can you give an example of what you mean?

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Zach's avatar

Politically correct paradoxical syncretism boils down to, basically, the belief that all religions are equally valid. Truth and morality are subjective. Contradictions among different belief system can be resolved by, well, just ignore those and remember that faith and logic never mix! And if some real life conflicts bubble up because of this, the Government and those that control it can act as God to resolve any issues. The CTMU, on the other hand, uses advanced logic to see what religious beliefs can be logically justified. Reason and faith are coupled. There's no reason to blindly trust any government or central authority as a logically sophisticated people can all use the universal nature of logic to distributively resolve issues.

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Life Is Good's avatar

Where can I find an explanation of the logic process that you are thinking of in any of your writings?

It is a tall order, isnтАЩt it though, because people and cultures have differing principles of logic and we humans routinely make often layered decisions and judgments based on many other things than logic. Not the least problem to overcome is that we can deceive ourselves and it makes perfect sense to us.

As a favorite proverb of mine says,

тАЬThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.тАЭ

Proverbs 18:17

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Zach's avatar

The logic is laid out in Chris' many papers and writings on the CTMU. It takes some time and effort to get through but well worth the effort IMO.

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Life Is Good's avatar

Just watched the video Gina posted above where Chris explained that the texts of the Bible or Scriptures are тАЬDivine revelationтАЭ and are therefore necessarily believed by faithтАФbypassing logic.

I agree that the Scriptures are given to humanity by God (which would be a type of Divine intervention or miracle through the writers) but that Scriptures would not be тАЬrevelationтАЭ to anyone except to those who examine them and God in His grace, uses the texts to reveal Himself and other truth about humanity and life to them.

A personтАЩs faith is only as sound as the truth that supports it.

We donтАЩt make the truth, but God gives the ability to recognize it through the logical minds He gives us and by clearing away the mental confusion and blindness caused by our sinful state.

I agree that faith and reason or logic are not mutually exclusive. But high intellectual capacity isnтАЩt a prerequisite for a personтАЩs faith to be soundly based on truth either. That would exclude the simple and those who know that they are pitiful and weak.

The Bible contains a number of different literary genres. Historical narratives, wisdom literature, didactic letters. So we can ask:

Is what is written true or not?

How well do these writings answer the questions that mankind has? (Even if we may not like the answers to some of the questions that we have.)

Do the Scriptures prove to be true when we take the whole counsel of what is taught in the Bible and obey the instructions that we find there?

Do we discover the personal God that is revealed in Scripture and explained to humanity in the incarnation of Jesus as described in the book of Hebrews?

Are we truly changed by this on-going relationship with God?

It appears that we can put too much value on high intellectual capacity and in complicated theories or philosophies. These can actually be a stumbling block to recognizing truth hidden in plain sight, accessible to even the simple.

Jesus said, тАЬTruly I tell you,тАЭ he said, тАЬunless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

4 тАЬTherefore, whoever humbles himself like this childтАЙтАЛтАФтАЙтАЛthis one is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.тАЭ

It is not folly to simply trust (put faith in) what is true.

IтАЩm this post truth worldтАФit is important to think about how we discover or discern truth. Do we even believe in transcendent truth?

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Zach's avatar

Scripture is true, but, being written in natural language, has inherent ambiguities. There is a time for metaphorical parable and a time for тАЬplainly spokenтАЭ technical truth. Modern thinkers, scientists, etc., are being led astray by flawed materialistic atheistic interpretations of the тАЬtechnical truths.тАЭ There is value in reconciling тАЬcomplicated theories of philosophyтАЭ with the simple truth of a humble child.

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Life Is Good's avatar

And this one is another humbling but helpful thing for me to keep in mind,

тАЬThe heart is more deceitful than anything else, and incurableтАЙтАЛтАФтАЙтАЛwho can understand it?тАЭ

Jeremiah 17:9

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Anne Clifton's avatar

Thanks for the explanation. I'm sticking with the One who made me a new creation 46 years ago. Take care.

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Zach's avatar

You take care as well. You should definitely stick with Christ. But they aren't mutually exclusive. The CTMU complements my belief in Christ.

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Life Is Good's avatar

I opened some of the links in the article. It's time to look into this closer. Again, ugh.

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Anne Clifton's avatar

I often look at lifesitenews.com although I am not Catholic. They've been expressing concern about the pope. Once they had a headline, "Is the Pope Catholic?" I was wondering, is the pope a Christian? Doesn't look like it.

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Life Is Good's avatar

Ugh. Not loving the looks of that.

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