Everyone I know who took the covid vacine and then had covid fared better than those who did not get the jab. I do not agree with children or pregnant women taking it. Much like the polio vacine. There were negatives. Every drug has a negative because it can't be tested on everyone long term. We are 76 and 79, I'm very healthy my husban…
Everyone I know who took the covid vacine and then had covid fared better than those who did not get the jab. I do not agree with children or pregnant women taking it. Much like the polio vacine. There were negatives. Every drug has a negative because it can't be tested on everyone long term. We are 76 and 79, I'm very healthy my husband has COPD. High risk. For us it was essential to protect him. I'm voting Trump.
How is this possible? I know four people who died from the vaccine and an endless list of those with minor-major adverse effects. Taken the Trump/Biden jab has altered your DNA forever. My friends daughter who was 13 died this past August. My lawyer from WA died in August as well and two more died this year.
And I know unjabbed people who got covid and fared better than their jabbed friends. And I know people who got a booster, then got covid a week or two later. You do realize these shots were supposed to PREVENT covid, right?
Margaret, darling, just the fact that people 'get' COVID after receiving the shot is proof of the shot's ineffectiveness.
In what world do we accept that as a normal function, or consequence, of receiving a 'vaccine'? If for no other reason than that it disproves the establishment-approved "safe and effective" narrative.
But, moreover, the anecdotal example you provided is nothing more than just that..... anecdotal.
We all have different bodies and will react differently to a miriad of vast scenarios -- whether viral, disease, illness, drugs, medicine, or even homeopathic treatments.
That's why this 'one size fits all' approach to COVID doesn't work and is severely inappropriate.
For the record, the only people in *my* family and social circle who experienced COVID were all previously vaccinated or boosted, and not a single unvaccinated person in my family or social circle has ever been ill for or tested positive for COVID.
Based on everything I've seen, including even the replies, here, I'd say these situations vary person to person.... But that your scenario is a-typical.
Or a result of your age.
Did you know that a recent report from the UK revealed 9 out of every 10 COVID cases, hospitalizations, and deaths were all in the vaccinated?
The WHO has even admitted that immune systems become weaker with increased doses of the shot.
It's in the genetic makeup and material of the shots and how they operate within the body that accounts for this.
Furthermore, even the Pfizer documents proved that there was little, if any, protection from the shots vs the placebo group... And that was even after they'd manipulated the way they collected data *in their favour.*
If you've an hour to spare, I'd implore you to watch this video which explores the UK report plus more:
Another thing...if you are vaxed and you still get the virus, you have probably lost the opportunity for the powerful natural immunity that the unvaxed will, in all likelihood, get. Dr. Malone still got the virus a second time I think after he was jabbed.
I have natural immunity. Never get sick. 76, no meds. My husband not so fortunate. Breaths at 25% for 13 years. COPD. He's a miracle the Dr. says. Very active. Flu can kill him. He has been hospitalized for that. I took the jab for him. I know a 50 year old hospitalized who did not get the shot. Many who had COVID who had the jab were over it in 5 days. We are in an area of AZ in the winter with many older residents. None died. It's a matter of what's best for you. I do not believe children or pregnant women should get it. I think the politicians had zero right to mandate it. In AZ we were pretty unrestricted regarding masks. It was a decent place to be. My issue is with people saying they will not vote Trump because he encouraged getting the jab. Truthfully if he hadn't. It would have been 3rd attempt to impeach.
It may have been a tactical move, and, in all likelihood, you're right.. Had he been dismissive of the jabs it would have meant certain career death for him...... But that's not the point people are arguing.
They're upset that he's not appropriately responded to the growing concern for the safety and efficacy of the vaccines.
That he's been rather dismissive of it, along with the unethical and intrusive methods at the crux of the mass vaccination campaign.
And that as concern, push back, and anger over vaccine injury/harm and death is mounting, he's boasting himself as the grandfather of said harmful and lethal vaccine.
Totally oblivious to, or intentionally dismissive of, the fears and concerns expressed by his base.
It's almost as though the patriotic, America First, "for the people" stance he held for years was for naught.
He's not listening to the concerns of his loyal citizens, but rather pandering to the vaccine-zealous in an ego-trip..... And people are rightfully upset.
Our friend in his early 50s, not vaccinated, previously healthy, hospitalized and put on oxygen. My step son. No vaccine under the care of an immunologist for over a year. He became ill before the vaccine was available. My daughters friend was infected by his 7 year old twins. Obviously many different examples. I don't agree to vaccinations for those under age 18. Elderly people, probably better off.
Again, Margaret, you are citing anecdotes that offer little more than proof of anomalies.
Nobody is saying a 50 year old unvaccinated man can't get ill for COVID.... We're merely citing the fact that vaccinated people are also capable, and even likely, to also get ill for COVID.
Government data and statistics PROVE as much. They SHOW that vaccinated people can test positive, end up in hospital, and even die from COVID.
I'd also challenge your daughter's friend to prove he/she was infected by his/her children, as, again, statistically speaking, children are not known carriers of COVID.
Do yourself a favour and watch that video when you get a chance.
Our friends 75 and up. No deaths. No hospitalization. Short period of testing positive. Usually no more than 5 days. The vaccine obviously prevents the disease from being a death threat. The elderly have proven they are in the high risk category.
And 2 of my husband's golf buddies, one 75, the other 80, both got covid in November and December of 2020, before the "vaccines." One recovered at home, one had a brief hospital stay. Neither needed oxygen. My unjabbed son had covid and worked from home all day, every day during it. His boss was shocked because his jabbed and boosted wife had covid at the same time and couldn't get out of bed.
We could continue going back and forth on this forever, but the bottom line is the government and media lied. These so-called vaccines are a total failure, and anyone who claims they would have been worse off without it is just lying to themselves, because there's no way to prove that.
Again, the entire point is that we were sold a "safe and effective" vaccine, and even the government's own statistics prove, at the VERY LEAST, that they're not effective.
Thus, why does the narrative continue? And why do people continue to argue that they are?
.... I guess denial is a more comfortable reality for most than conceding they've been betrayed and lied to.
MOST people will not end up in hospital or dead from COVID. That's just a statistical reality.... Especially for healthy people.
The death rate for Americans is less than 1%, and of all the recorded COVID 'deaths' only 6% listed COVID as the sole cause of death.... That is, 94% had 1 or more comorbidities, with an average of 2.5.
In other words, you can't be sure that the vaccine provided protection rather than experiencing a statistically typical scenario for getting COVID.
However for the elderly and those with health issues the reality is that they are at risk. We winter in AZ. Masks were mandatory for a shirt time. No one was as crazy as in other states. All my friends are elderly and Republican. None died. All git the jab. Same with my friends in Britain. Worked for us.
Well if your husband at age 80 had been diagnosed 13 years ago with COPD .breathing at 25%. Still very active. Just put a water heater in for a friend. What would you do? Not smoking related.
I think there's been a miscommunication, Margaret.
I'm not trying to tell you that you made the wrong decision or shouldn't have made the decision you made.
I'm merely trying to inform you with statistical facts that prove, at the very least, that you can't be sure the vaccines provided protection -- especially as there's enough data to prove that they don't.
To suggest your/your friends success with COVID is a result of the proven-ineffective vaccine is just to deny the actual science.
On the bright side: COVID probably isn't as lethal as it's been purported to be, and MOST people will survive.
But, for amusement's sake: my husband has a form of mild COPD (that is, fluid in his lungs) and is also type-2 diabetic. He's not in the BEST of health, but certainly not the worst.... I told him from Day 1 it was his choice and I'd not influence him one way or another.
He chose not to. And I'm secretly glad, because, based on my research and all the data being leaked daily, I'd be more concerned about his health had he taken the shot.
Granted, we are half you and your husband's age.
The data is clear that age is a large factor of post-vaccine health and success.
(Makes more sense for elderly people and less sense the younger one is.)
My argument was only ever that your experience with COVID is not proof of vaccine efficacy, and that it shouldn't be argued in blanket statements as such.
Vaccines are supposed to prevent Transmission and infection. The very fact that your jabbed friends and family got Covid should be a huge wake up call. People like you are brainwashed into thinking it’s better to take an experimental injection to minimize symptoms of the very thing the vax is supposed to prevent. How did people get so stupid and lacking critical thinking skills ??
My grandfather went to work in a coalmine at age 8. He smoked non filter cigarettes. A pack a day his entire life. Died in his sleep at age 85. Never ill. Never hospitalized. Does that mean cigarettes don't cause cancer? If you use him as an example, it does.
The government lied for decades about the Health risks associated with cigarette smoking. Wasn’t until the whistleblower came forward in 80s that it all came to light, Back then journalists were doing the job. now unfortunately our media is infiltrated and owned indirectly By big pharmavia the billions they spend on ads and so the hundreds of thousands of deaths and or vaccine injuries ate not being reported to the masses. The government and so-called health officials and entities are lying about the safety and efficacy of the jab just like they did with cigarettes. DDT,
I'm far from brainwashed. Name calling usually comes from the left. I don't watch any news stations as all are opinion over fact. As I said, we reside in an area of elderly residents, we regularly attend jazz in the evening with 90 year Olds. They all had the vaccine. Of my husband's 90 friends 4 had Covid after the jab. Out and about after 5 days. 85 and up. My step son came down with it over 2 years ago, prior to the jab being available. He was health and close to 60. He is still under a Dr.s care. Very weak. I know a few in their 40s in England have the same situation, the virus still working to keep them sick. No vaccine. I go by what I know and who I know. Denying that the elderly were not dropping like flies prior to the vaccine tells me your ignoring that fact. Those with health issues also,.were the first to die. Each person has his own individual health history. I'm fortunate to have excellent health at 76. I worked at it. My husband does not. COVID would have killed him.
Margaret- you’re living the lie being fed to you by Big pharma and evil globalists that the injection of the mRNA is safe, and effective. God bless you and may you look deeper into the research and studies to reveal truth. The truth hurts especially when you’ve been deceived
Everyone I know who took the covid vacine and then had covid fared better than those who did not get the jab. I do not agree with children or pregnant women taking it. Much like the polio vacine. There were negatives. Every drug has a negative because it can't be tested on everyone long term. We are 76 and 79, I'm very healthy my husband has COPD. High risk. For us it was essential to protect him. I'm voting Trump.
How is this possible? I know four people who died from the vaccine and an endless list of those with minor-major adverse effects. Taken the Trump/Biden jab has altered your DNA forever. My friends daughter who was 13 died this past August. My lawyer from WA died in August as well and two more died this year.
Emphasis on "the jab has altered your DNA forever."
A simple yet profound statement that seems to be overlooked by too many.
Maybe, it's that they don't understand its significance.
Heartbreaking. So sorry.
And I know unjabbed people who got covid and fared better than their jabbed friends. And I know people who got a booster, then got covid a week or two later. You do realize these shots were supposed to PREVENT covid, right?
Margaret, darling, just the fact that people 'get' COVID after receiving the shot is proof of the shot's ineffectiveness.
In what world do we accept that as a normal function, or consequence, of receiving a 'vaccine'? If for no other reason than that it disproves the establishment-approved "safe and effective" narrative.
But, moreover, the anecdotal example you provided is nothing more than just that..... anecdotal.
We all have different bodies and will react differently to a miriad of vast scenarios -- whether viral, disease, illness, drugs, medicine, or even homeopathic treatments.
That's why this 'one size fits all' approach to COVID doesn't work and is severely inappropriate.
For the record, the only people in *my* family and social circle who experienced COVID were all previously vaccinated or boosted, and not a single unvaccinated person in my family or social circle has ever been ill for or tested positive for COVID.
Based on everything I've seen, including even the replies, here, I'd say these situations vary person to person.... But that your scenario is a-typical.
Or a result of your age.
Did you know that a recent report from the UK revealed 9 out of every 10 COVID cases, hospitalizations, and deaths were all in the vaccinated?
The WHO has even admitted that immune systems become weaker with increased doses of the shot.
It's in the genetic makeup and material of the shots and how they operate within the body that accounts for this.
Furthermore, even the Pfizer documents proved that there was little, if any, protection from the shots vs the placebo group... And that was even after they'd manipulated the way they collected data *in their favour.*
If you've an hour to spare, I'd implore you to watch this video which explores the UK report plus more:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CHhMKQIJHaOL/
Another thing...if you are vaxed and you still get the virus, you have probably lost the opportunity for the powerful natural immunity that the unvaxed will, in all likelihood, get. Dr. Malone still got the virus a second time I think after he was jabbed.
Astute point.
We musn't forget the significance of natural immunity.
I have natural immunity. Never get sick. 76, no meds. My husband not so fortunate. Breaths at 25% for 13 years. COPD. He's a miracle the Dr. says. Very active. Flu can kill him. He has been hospitalized for that. I took the jab for him. I know a 50 year old hospitalized who did not get the shot. Many who had COVID who had the jab were over it in 5 days. We are in an area of AZ in the winter with many older residents. None died. It's a matter of what's best for you. I do not believe children or pregnant women should get it. I think the politicians had zero right to mandate it. In AZ we were pretty unrestricted regarding masks. It was a decent place to be. My issue is with people saying they will not vote Trump because he encouraged getting the jab. Truthfully if he hadn't. It would have been 3rd attempt to impeach.
It may have been a tactical move, and, in all likelihood, you're right.. Had he been dismissive of the jabs it would have meant certain career death for him...... But that's not the point people are arguing.
They're upset that he's not appropriately responded to the growing concern for the safety and efficacy of the vaccines.
That he's been rather dismissive of it, along with the unethical and intrusive methods at the crux of the mass vaccination campaign.
And that as concern, push back, and anger over vaccine injury/harm and death is mounting, he's boasting himself as the grandfather of said harmful and lethal vaccine.
Totally oblivious to, or intentionally dismissive of, the fears and concerns expressed by his base.
It's almost as though the patriotic, America First, "for the people" stance he held for years was for naught.
He's not listening to the concerns of his loyal citizens, but rather pandering to the vaccine-zealous in an ego-trip..... And people are rightfully upset.
Let's not get it twisted.
Our friend in his early 50s, not vaccinated, previously healthy, hospitalized and put on oxygen. My step son. No vaccine under the care of an immunologist for over a year. He became ill before the vaccine was available. My daughters friend was infected by his 7 year old twins. Obviously many different examples. I don't agree to vaccinations for those under age 18. Elderly people, probably better off.
Again, Margaret, you are citing anecdotes that offer little more than proof of anomalies.
Nobody is saying a 50 year old unvaccinated man can't get ill for COVID.... We're merely citing the fact that vaccinated people are also capable, and even likely, to also get ill for COVID.
Government data and statistics PROVE as much. They SHOW that vaccinated people can test positive, end up in hospital, and even die from COVID.
I'd also challenge your daughter's friend to prove he/she was infected by his/her children, as, again, statistically speaking, children are not known carriers of COVID.
Do yourself a favour and watch that video when you get a chance.
Did they get early treatment (within 72 hours of contracting COVID) with ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine?? I suspect not. Because Fauci and Gates vilified such cheap and effective treatments because they did not serve their greed. Early in the pandemic, they rather recommended the dangerous and expensive REMDISIVIR which Bill Gates had shares in.its manufacturer Gilead Sciences. Basically, the motto of Gates and Fauci is D.I.E -- Dangerous, Ineffective, Expensive. Just read Bobby Kennedy's book "The Real Anthony Fauci" https://www.amazon.com.au/Real-Anthony-Fauci-Democracy-Humanity/dp/1510766804/ref=sr_1_1?adgrpid=91101313630&gclid=CjwKCAjw14uVBhBEEiwAaufYx1cTwU7iN2cZrEuq3woUnHPMAql6KZ6-_w_9TcKt4xh1V0EOV0Si0BoCY9sQAvD_BwE&hvadid=583954579167&hvdev=c&hvlocint=9069218&hvlocphy=9060266&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=14235266109498989117&hvtargid=kwd-921452161835&hydadcr=15784_329500&keywords=the+real+anthony+fauci&qid=1654867725&sr=8-1. See also https://vincebarwinski.com/2022/02/06/summary-of-covid-a-second-opinion-conference-washington-dc-monday-24th-january-2022/ about the "COVID A Second Opinion Conference Washington DC Monday 24th January 2022" chaired by Senator Ron Johnson and attended by Dr. Malone and many other such illustrious and brave doctors.
Our friends 75 and up. No deaths. No hospitalization. Short period of testing positive. Usually no more than 5 days. The vaccine obviously prevents the disease from being a death threat. The elderly have proven they are in the high risk category.
And 2 of my husband's golf buddies, one 75, the other 80, both got covid in November and December of 2020, before the "vaccines." One recovered at home, one had a brief hospital stay. Neither needed oxygen. My unjabbed son had covid and worked from home all day, every day during it. His boss was shocked because his jabbed and boosted wife had covid at the same time and couldn't get out of bed.
We could continue going back and forth on this forever, but the bottom line is the government and media lied. These so-called vaccines are a total failure, and anyone who claims they would have been worse off without it is just lying to themselves, because there's no way to prove that.
Exactly.
Again, the entire point is that we were sold a "safe and effective" vaccine, and even the government's own statistics prove, at the VERY LEAST, that they're not effective.
Thus, why does the narrative continue? And why do people continue to argue that they are?
.... I guess denial is a more comfortable reality for most than conceding they've been betrayed and lied to.
MOST people will not end up in hospital or dead from COVID. That's just a statistical reality.... Especially for healthy people.
The death rate for Americans is less than 1%, and of all the recorded COVID 'deaths' only 6% listed COVID as the sole cause of death.... That is, 94% had 1 or more comorbidities, with an average of 2.5.
In other words, you can't be sure that the vaccine provided protection rather than experiencing a statistically typical scenario for getting COVID.
However for the elderly and those with health issues the reality is that they are at risk. We winter in AZ. Masks were mandatory for a shirt time. No one was as crazy as in other states. All my friends are elderly and Republican. None died. All git the jab. Same with my friends in Britain. Worked for us.
Sure, Margaret, but risk does not equal certain death.
If anything, all this proves is that COVID isn't as lethal as it's been purported to be.
Well if your husband at age 80 had been diagnosed 13 years ago with COPD .breathing at 25%. Still very active. Just put a water heater in for a friend. What would you do? Not smoking related.
I think there's been a miscommunication, Margaret.
I'm not trying to tell you that you made the wrong decision or shouldn't have made the decision you made.
I'm merely trying to inform you with statistical facts that prove, at the very least, that you can't be sure the vaccines provided protection -- especially as there's enough data to prove that they don't.
To suggest your/your friends success with COVID is a result of the proven-ineffective vaccine is just to deny the actual science.
On the bright side: COVID probably isn't as lethal as it's been purported to be, and MOST people will survive.
But, for amusement's sake: my husband has a form of mild COPD (that is, fluid in his lungs) and is also type-2 diabetic. He's not in the BEST of health, but certainly not the worst.... I told him from Day 1 it was his choice and I'd not influence him one way or another.
He chose not to. And I'm secretly glad, because, based on my research and all the data being leaked daily, I'd be more concerned about his health had he taken the shot.
Granted, we are half you and your husband's age.
The data is clear that age is a large factor of post-vaccine health and success.
(Makes more sense for elderly people and less sense the younger one is.)
My argument was only ever that your experience with COVID is not proof of vaccine efficacy, and that it shouldn't be argued in blanket statements as such.
You were lucky. I am high risk and it nearly killed me.
Vaccines are supposed to prevent Transmission and infection. The very fact that your jabbed friends and family got Covid should be a huge wake up call. People like you are brainwashed into thinking it’s better to take an experimental injection to minimize symptoms of the very thing the vax is supposed to prevent. How did people get so stupid and lacking critical thinking skills ??
My grandfather went to work in a coalmine at age 8. He smoked non filter cigarettes. A pack a day his entire life. Died in his sleep at age 85. Never ill. Never hospitalized. Does that mean cigarettes don't cause cancer? If you use him as an example, it does.
The government lied for decades about the Health risks associated with cigarette smoking. Wasn’t until the whistleblower came forward in 80s that it all came to light, Back then journalists were doing the job. now unfortunately our media is infiltrated and owned indirectly By big pharmavia the billions they spend on ads and so the hundreds of thousands of deaths and or vaccine injuries ate not being reported to the masses. The government and so-called health officials and entities are lying about the safety and efficacy of the jab just like they did with cigarettes. DDT,
I'm far from brainwashed. Name calling usually comes from the left. I don't watch any news stations as all are opinion over fact. As I said, we reside in an area of elderly residents, we regularly attend jazz in the evening with 90 year Olds. They all had the vaccine. Of my husband's 90 friends 4 had Covid after the jab. Out and about after 5 days. 85 and up. My step son came down with it over 2 years ago, prior to the jab being available. He was health and close to 60. He is still under a Dr.s care. Very weak. I know a few in their 40s in England have the same situation, the virus still working to keep them sick. No vaccine. I go by what I know and who I know. Denying that the elderly were not dropping like flies prior to the vaccine tells me your ignoring that fact. Those with health issues also,.were the first to die. Each person has his own individual health history. I'm fortunate to have excellent health at 76. I worked at it. My husband does not. COVID would have killed him.
Margaret- you’re living the lie being fed to you by Big pharma and evil globalists that the injection of the mRNA is safe, and effective. God bless you and may you look deeper into the research and studies to reveal truth. The truth hurts especially when you’ve been deceived
They watch tee vee propaganda.
Usually I only hear that kind of criticism from the left. They love telling those who do not agree they are brainwashed,.racist and anti trans.
I didn't call you brainwashed, nor did I call you names. I give up. I suspect you're experiencing cognitive dissonance. No one can help you with that.
"Everyone I know who took the covid vacine and then had covid fared better than those who did not get the jab."
Prove this statement.
Unless you have a working crystal ball, what you said is pure speculation.